"I No Longer Think GLP-1s Are the Answer — The drugs "work" but may be working against us long-term"

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

I think you might be one of a handful of people here who understands. Everyone else wants to place blame everywhere but themselves for their situation. Plus they want to contribute to the capitalists making money off them. . . Actually, I’m one of those capitalists, so I flip flop on this issue quite often. I’d never do those drugs but I strongly encouraged others to do so, when I owned stock in Norvo Nordisk. Their stock has fallen though and isn’t worth buying because they tanked their Alzheimer’s drug claims. “But there are studies!”

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

One is a hormone replacement the other is an antagonist. Sorry you cannot understand the differences (and dangers).

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

This totally ignores re-gainers.

Almost everyone who puts in the work to lose significant weight ends up regaining it. That is proven by overwhelming data. Significant weight losers are a group shown to be willing to put in the work and not take short cuts.

But almost every time, they will re-gain. They might lose again, but they are still likely to re-gain. (That process itself is very hard on their health.)

The miracle of long term GLP1 use is ending this miserable cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

Don’t you get tired of being so stupid all the time? Eff off with your dumb, uneducated opinions.

DP
Oh you sound so smart and kind! Can we be friends? You’re just the person I want to invite to alienate everyone at my next party.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

One is a hormone replacement the other is an antagonist. Sorry you cannot understand the differences (and dangers).

Replacement and re-uptake agonists work in similar ways with similar risks, what are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

There is no evidence that losing weight through GLP-1s confers fewer health benefits than losing it through diet and exercise alone.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

One is a hormone replacement the other is an antagonist. Sorry you cannot understand the differences (and dangers).

Replacement and re-uptake agonists work in similar ways with similar risks, what are you talking about?

No they don’t work in similar ways. The problem is that most people don’t understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

Pathway 1) is a mirage. In the overwhelming majority of cases, after doing the “actual work” of weight loss, patients end up on a path to metabolic dysfunction of yo-yo weight, which is unhealthy. We all know this from the Biggest Loser studies, among many other sources. Weight loss itself is damaging to our systems in a way that makes re-gain the overwhelming most likely outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Serena Williams uses it- an example of someone who has excellent medical care - diets and exercises as a professional athlete and still had trouble getting weight off and keeping it off via diet and exercise.

She’s using it to maintain very low body fat, which she probably had previously because she was young and exercised all day long as an athlete. Not having visible abs isn’t a disease that needs treating. Being a bit thicker post kids and with aging is completely normal.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

+1

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

Pathway 1) is a mirage. In the overwhelming majority of cases, after doing the “actual work” of weight loss, patients end up on a path to metabolic dysfunction of yo-yo weight, which is unhealthy. We all know this from the Biggest Loser studies, among many other sources. Weight loss itself is damaging to our systems in a way that makes re-gain the overwhelming most likely outcome.

DP
You desperately need a nutrition class. I can’t begin to respond to this.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

Are you kidding me? Are you truly this stupid? You think there was "zero obesity at the turn of the century"? And you are claiming people were not "obese throughout history"? What in the fresh hell level of ignorance is this??? It's actually funny enough that I should probably ignore this as not real/trolling.

But if it's not made up, know that you are also clearly a horrible person. You don't want your kids around "weak minds"? Well, you'd better move out of the house and away from them and never see them again.

Sure it existed, but not at 40% of the population. Most people were turned away from military service, even during WWII for being too slim. It’s an inconvenient truth for you.

And you don’t need to be so triggered googlable facts - it doesn’t help your case.

That's because people had suffered through the great depression at that time (1940). They were malnourished. People had scurvy, people had babies who weren't growing. You think that was an example of excellent physical health? Lord.

Oh you’re right the 1000s of years before the Great Depression and the fact that there is a whole world outside the US that also has people wouldn’t provide other data points.

I'm literally responding to your post about how young men were being turned away from the army when they enlisted for WW2 for being too thin.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many drugs I plan to use for life. I’ll never get off Zyrtec. I don’t expect Advil taken for today’s headache to work on one next week. I’ll be on birth control until I’m on hormone replacement. I don’t see myself ever stopping using Tretinoin. Both my parents will be on cholesterol drugs for life, so I expect at some point I will be too.

Why is it that when it comes to weight loss medications people are clutching their pearls at the idea that people won’t eventually stop?

Because they want people to stop. And then gain the wait back. Because they hate fat people, because they need someone to feel superior to. This "People will gain it back if they stop!!" stuff is all about driving the narrative that it is somehow "cheating" to use medical intervention for obesity. It's similar to people a generation ago clutching their pearls at the idea that certain folks were "acting uppity."

Consider that we want a healthy society where this type of behavior is not normalized. I want my kids to grow up surrounded by healthy diets and exercise - not people who can’t control themselves and try to take a short cut. There was zero obesity at the turn of the century. There’s no good reason for it now other than people cannot control themselves around junk food that is push through ever media possible - weak minds, weak impulse control, equates to weak society. I don’t want that for my kids to live in. I’m sure you blame your obesity on hormones or something out of your control, but it’s not that or we would see fat mammals in the wild and people would have been obese throughout history.

What do you think people on Ozempic eat?

Before ozempic forced them to a diet rich in nutrients and protein, they ate lots of junk. That’s how they got there! So if they went on the diet without th drug they’d have the same results.

Your ignorance is stunning. There are many people who become overweight without eating a lot of "junk". Having an illness or injury or being on a medication that causes weight gain is very common. Yes, some people get fat from eating a lot of junk, but not everyone. Also, some people do not have an income that allows them to avoid "junk" or live in food deserts that make it hard to eat healthy.

Also, the numerous studies on GLP medications show that the control groups on the same food or exercise regimes did not in fact lose weight to the same degree as the GLP groups - proving exactly contrary to your assertion that, "if they went on the diet without the drug, they'd have the same results." That is why these medications are considered so revolutionary. They accomplish something that cannot be accomplished by diet and exercise alone, especially when considered across a group. For example, maybe the mean weight loss in a control group was 5% bodyweight loss, but the GLP mean bodyweight loss was around 20%.

The population that can afford these drugs out of pocket or have exceptional insurance nearly ALWAYS got to where they are by eating piles of junk. Not SOME
- that’s a total cop out. It’s inexcusable. McLean is not a food dessert.

The victim mentality on this forum is such a joke. Nobody wants to admit they absolutely have the privilege of being in a position to prioritize their health and make better choices. They just don’t do it and instead get butt hurt when somebody points out the obvious that taking a drug to artificially alter biochemistry is not a long term solution.

My thyroid medication for my Hashimoto's artificially alters my biochemistry and is a long-term solution. Why is obesity special?

Because your thyroid malfunctioned and you can’t control that.

Obesity in UMC adults in the US is absolutely controllable in the vast majority of people. They just don’t want to do the work. Or they don’t want to prioritize it.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

OP here. This is dumb. GLP-1s have been shown to have numerous health benefits, the problem is these benefits don't last if you don't continue taking the medicine, and many people don't. But for those that do, it absolutely has real health benefits.

None of this is even responsive to what I wrote. What I wrote isn’t even debatable.

There are two options. 1) you can be a healthy weight by doing the actual work that causes the body to naturally respond and be functional and strong. Or 2) you can take a short cut and get none of those benefits.

Healthspan of 1) is wildly better than 2).

Pathway 1) is a mirage. In the overwhelming majority of cases, after doing the “actual work” of weight loss, patients end up on a path to metabolic dysfunction of yo-yo weight, which is unhealthy. We all know this from the Biggest Loser studies, among many other sources. Weight loss itself is damaging to our systems in a way that makes re-gain the overwhelming most likely outcome.

DP
You desperately need a nutrition class. I can’t begin to respond to this.

I’m sure it’s very hard to respond to complex topics when you’re ignorant about the data and biology.