Did your DC apply to a LAC with ED (or ED1)?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not recalculating anything. You asked/doubled down on source for 18 QB and I provided it. YW!

That’s not a source. It is a news article. CDS will still likely include them in ED.

nope. at no school is qb included in ED. it's a separate process and it's thrown into RD numbers.

This did not happen.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not recalculating anything. You asked/doubled down on source for 18 QB and I provided it. YW!

That’s not a source. It is a news article. CDS will still likely include them in ED.

nope. at no school is qb included in ED. it's a separate process and it's thrown into RD numbers.

Not at all true.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

This is general college admissions advice. Go down a rung for ED2. Bowdoin is not an easier admit for Dartmouth.

If you have school data, great. Who were those kids? Any first-gen, hooked, recruited athletes? Ask the guidance counselor.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

NP. That's good information. PP was probably pessimistic because Bowdoin had the lowest ED acceptance rate of all the SLACs last cycle, 17%. That includes all the athletes and other institutional priorities, so it is a very tough admit.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

This is general college admissions advice. Go down a rung for ED2. Bowdoin is not an easier admit for Dartmouth.

If you have school data, great. Who were those kids? Any first-gen, hooked, recruited athletes? Ask the guidance counselor.

To add, were they ED1 apps? Do you know? ED2 is a tougher admit, almost universally, than ED1. I am not suggesting down a rung like so,e directional state uni: Middlebury )which gives a big ED boost because 70% of class is filled ED) or something…

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QB is an app and can have both ED and RD components. Depends on school as to where it's placed. 18 kids admitted to Williams via QB last year per the school's communication. But they were not included in numbers. They would be in the CDS though. Anyone who didnt match could also apply RD via QB app and be included via RD numbers. Schools can still classify these students as "questbridge" in communication so be careful not to lump all qb kids as ED kids.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

during ED round, yes.

Just be honest with your kid. Dear Johnnie, you have a 3% chance of going to your one, dream school. And a 90% chance, because of the choices you are making, of ending up at a low target or a safety.

Or, you can have a 20% chance of going to this great school, and a 2% chance of going to your dream school still, if you don’t get into the great school, and a 70% chance of ending up at a low target or a safety.

What is your choice?

any kid with a 1600 coming out of a private school is not Williams or ... else Denison. Sorry, that's not happening. At our school, they waltz right into Georgetown or Middlebury and live happy lives. And didn't learn to be cautious in their dream.

You sound like a New Yorker. Not a compliment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

This is general college admissions advice. Go down a rung for ED2. Bowdoin is not an easier admit for Dartmouth.

If you have school data, great. Who were those kids? Any first-gen, hooked, recruited athletes? Ask the guidance counselor.

To add, were they ED1 apps? Do you know? ED2 is a tougher admit, almost universally, than ED1. I am not suggesting down a rung like so,e directional state uni: Middlebury )which gives a big ED boost because 70% of class is filled ED) or something…

3 kids have applied ED in the last 6 years. One was an athlete. The other accepted had a 1500 and 3.8. The third was rejected with a 3.7 and test optional.

The rest of the applicants were RD. Overall, the average admitted student from our school has a 3.82/4.36 and a 1515. DC has a 4/4.53 and a 1550.

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Anonymous wrote:If so, which LAC, and what were DC's stats?
LACs don't usually admit by major, but some ask area of interest - what was your DC's planned major?
Are you full pay?
Recruited athlete?

Fingers crossed that everyone gets in where they want to!

ED1 to Kenyon College
Recruited
GPA within the Kenyon's middle 50
Test optional
Full pay

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

during ED round, yes.

Just be honest with your kid. Dear Johnnie, you have a 3% chance of going to your one, dream school. And a 90% chance, because of the choices you are making, of ending up at a low target or a safety.

Or, you can have a 20% chance of going to this great school, and a 2% chance of going to your dream school still, if you don’t get into the great school, and a 70% chance of ending up at a low target or a safety.

What is your choice?

any kid with a 1600 coming out of a private school is not Williams or ... else Denison. Sorry, that's not happening. At our school, they waltz right into Georgetown or Middlebury and live happy lives. And didn't learn to be cautious in their dream.

You sound like a New Yorker. Not a compliment.

not a NYer. sorry!

[Anonymous]

ED1 to Middlebury
4.4 weighted
1460
Full Pay
Undecided
Great ECs

[Anonymous]

Dartmouth
4.2 weighted
1380
Need Aid
Economics
Standard Strong ECS

Realize its a long shot, but you only olive once

[Anonymous]

Athlete applied ED to a school per coach’s request. We need FA, we let the coach know, and we were told the school meets 100% of demonstrated financial needs, but we have a potential problem. We can’t afford the school per NPC, as it’s not reflected in the NPC the fact that one parent lost job in the middle of 2025, and probably won’t be able to find a similar job any time soon. We are prepared to appeal with documented evidence, but if we can’t afford we’ll have to back out.

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Anyone’s child ED to one of the Claremont colleges this year or do they mostly draw from the west coast?