Michigan Early Decision - Any Early Anecdotes?

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Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

Who said “top students”. At our HS, the top students aren’t applying ED to Michigan. Our top 10% go t10. Then the next decile or two think about Georgetown, Ross, UCLA, Midd etc.

But there’s for sure a 50% kid who wants WI. So why wouldn’t they grab these full pay kids who have gone to rigorous private schools and won’t be the top students but won’t be any problems at all. And bring plenty of connections

Yes. It’s the same model as UConn or UVM, both of which have ED already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Isn't that why Michigan added ED? My understanding was that they added ED because so many top schools threw in an EA application to Michigan, while applying ED to a top private. Michigan was tired of being a backup for top students so adding ED is a way to make the students who really want to go there show their commitment which will increase their yield and probably makes it easier for the admissions office to plan out the rest of the admissions cycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Isn't that why Michigan added ED? My understanding was that they added ED because so many top schools threw in an EA application to Michigan, while applying ED to a top private. Michigan was tired of being a backup for top students so adding ED is a way to make the students who really want to go there show their commitment which will increase their yield and probably makes it easier for the admissions office to plan out the rest of the admissions cycle.

I agree with this. Top students are applying to illogical numbers of schools now. It's a helpful commitment sorting device. I hope it makes the rest of the process faster and more transparent. For the successive rounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The social scene can be very hard. My DC knows a number of very lonely girls. It's just very large and hard to meet kids at more than a superficial level but you're expected to be having the time of your life which makes it more painful when quietly you're not.

At a big school, no one is going to hold your hand. At a school like Michigan, there are literally thousands of activities and clubs ranging across just about any interest conceivable. A student can find their people, but that have to look. Same with striking up conversations with people in their classes and grabbing a coffee after and that sort of thing.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many more W school students who apply and attend Michigan than APS students. It’s the MD vs VA split. Numerically there is just no way 70 kids applied ED from YHS. My kid got into Michigan from YHS last year (c/o 2025). They are attending another T20.

Michigan is more desirable for MD residents because UVa is a better school and place/option for instate residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Isn't that why Michigan added ED? My understanding was that they added ED because so many top schools threw in an EA application to Michigan, while applying ED to a top private. Michigan was tired of being a backup for top students so adding ED is a way to make the students who really want to go there show their commitment which will increase their yield and probably makes it easier for the admissions office to plan out the rest of the admissions cycle.

probably also too many kids who applied ED elsewhere and EA to UM didn't pull their applications, so UM had to review and admit/defer those kids needlessly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

Who said “top students”. At our HS, the top students aren’t applying ED to Michigan. Our top 10% go t10. Then the next decile or two think about Georgetown, Ross, UCLA, Midd etc.

But there’s for sure a 50% kid who wants WI. So why wouldn’t they grab these full pay kids who have gone to rigorous private schools and won’t be the top students but won’t be any problems at all. And bring plenty of connections

Didn't Michigan just add ED this year? And you already know exactly who picked the ED option when the applications were due on Saturday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s basically a guarantee that the true top kids shooting for HYPSM will continue to apply EA, not ED. But in the current environment, where so many kids want a big school experience, it’s plausible to me that Michigan will steal ED market share from schools like Penn, Cornell, Northwestern, and Duke. To parents prepared to pay those private-school prices, Michigan would look like a bargain. And those kids often come from private schools or affluent neighborhoods where they are under pretty intense pressure to “play their ED card” somewhere. Now they can apply ED to Michigan.

How is Michigan a bargain over private schools? Michigan's OOS tuition is just as high as private school tuition - like significantly higher than UNC, UCs, UW, etc. That's why I just don't get why all of these families from private schools are wanting their kids to get into UMichigan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s basically a guarantee that the true top kids shooting for HYPSM will continue to apply EA, not ED. But in the current environment, where so many kids want a big school experience, it’s plausible to me that Michigan will steal ED market share from schools like Penn, Cornell, Northwestern, and Duke. To parents prepared to pay those private-school prices, Michigan would look like a bargain. And those kids often come from private schools or affluent neighborhoods where they are under pretty intense pressure to “play their ED card” somewhere. Now they can apply ED to Michigan.

Make sure you talk to current students. I know a lot of unhappy, freshman (academically) with very large classes with lack of access to their advisors. Everyone says it gets better by junior and senior year but that’s a long time away. And socially, much more competitive than people expected

I went to a competitive large state school. Many fresh/soph year classes don’t need to be intimate. It teaches students how to seek access to TA’s and others if needed. Students are still being taught by top profs - there is just less hand-holding. It’s not for everyone but I think great lessons are learned that prepare students for the real world

There’s just no attempt to try and get your kid into classes that are relevant for their interests or their major.

I compare that to a private T10 that my kid chose over Michigan where the advisor checks in individually with my kid every few weeks. By email. Also sends new program ideas their way along with interesting new opportunities to access professors (whether through official programming, small group dinners or otherwise). It is night and day difference.

What is this private T10? Is it JHU or Duke or Northwestern?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are many more W school students who apply and attend Michigan than APS students. It’s the MD vs VA split. Numerically there is just no way 70 kids applied ED from YHS. My kid got into Michigan from YHS last year (c/o 2025). They are attending another T20.

Michigan is more desirable for MD residents because UVa is a better school and place/option for instate residents.

Huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s basically a guarantee that the true top kids shooting for HYPSM will continue to apply EA, not ED. But in the current environment, where so many kids want a big school experience, it’s plausible to me that Michigan will steal ED market share from schools like Penn, Cornell, Northwestern, and Duke. To parents prepared to pay those private-school prices, Michigan would look like a bargain. And those kids often come from private schools or affluent neighborhoods where they are under pretty intense pressure to “play their ED card” somewhere. Now they can apply ED to Michigan.

How is Michigan a bargain over private schools? Michigan's OOS tuition is just as high as private school tuition - like significantly higher than UNC, UCs, UW, etc. That's why I just don't get why all of these families from private schools are wanting their kids to get into UMichigan.

I wouldn’t say it’s a bargain, but it is a top 20 school that is attainable for a top student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many more W school students who apply and attend Michigan than APS students. It’s the MD vs VA split. Numerically there is just no way 70 kids applied ED from YHS. My kid got into Michigan from YHS last year (c/o 2025). They are attending another T20.

Michigan is more desirable for MD residents because UVa is a better school and place/option for instate residents.

Huh?

NP. Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.

HTH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

Who said “top students”. At our HS, the top students aren’t applying ED to Michigan. Our top 10% go t10. Then the next decile or two think about Georgetown, Ross, UCLA, Midd etc.

But there’s for sure a 50% kid who wants WI. So why wouldn’t they grab these full pay kids who have gone to rigorous private schools and won’t be the top students but won’t be any problems at all. And bring plenty of connections

Didn't Michigan just add ED this year? And you already know exactly who picked the ED option when the applications were due on Saturday?

He/she doesn’t know. I highly doubt all of the top ten percent of any school is attending a top 10 university. Hyperbole much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many more W school students who apply and attend Michigan than APS students. It’s the MD vs VA split. Numerically there is just no way 70 kids applied ED from YHS. My kid got into Michigan from YHS last year (c/o 2025). They are attending another T20.

Michigan is more desirable for MD residents because UVa is a better school and place/option for instate residents.

Huh?

NP. Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.

HTH

Still doesn’t explain your comment. If you think UVA is the better school/place, why is the yield rate so much higher at Michigan with a similar acceptance rate? Costs are equivalent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many more W school students who apply and attend Michigan than APS students. It’s the MD vs VA split. Numerically there is just no way 70 kids applied ED from YHS. My kid got into Michigan from YHS last year (c/o 2025). They are attending another T20.

Michigan is more desirable for MD residents because UVa is a better school and place/option for instate residents.

Huh?

NP. Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.

HTH

Still doesn’t explain your comment. If you think UVA is the better school/place, why is the yield rate so much higher at Michigan with a similar acceptance rate? Costs are equivalent.

In part because Virginia has 3 strong state schools and Michigan has one. Many kids apply to 2 of 3 or all 3 of the Virginia schools and they lose kids to each other.

Michigan is basically UVA and V Tech in one. Or NC State and UNC in one. Or GA and GA Tech in one. They're going to have a higher yield than these other state schools because they're the only game in town.