Michigan Early Decision - Any Early Anecdotes?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Why is that? Two factors: large class size, no ED prior cycles. Chicago has a massive yield because of multiple ED rounds. This isn't rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone answer a quick question about info sessions? We signed up for a tour this month that starts at 11 am. The confirmation email says something about also being a confirmation for an info session if checked off in the tour registration request. But, the tour calendar registration questions don't say anything about an info session.

Is Michigan currently offering info sessions an hour before the tour? Or only the virtual one?

The info session starts at 10:15 am for the 11 am tours. I found this confusing too, but they were very responsive through the online chat feature.

Very helpful, thanks!

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watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

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Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

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Michigan is a great school. DC got in EA last year as OOS. Zero need aid, regardless. Look at its OOS tuition - one of the highest for public

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Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

This. DC got in EA rounds for UMDCP (in state), UNC, Wisc-Madison, Michigan, UIUC, UT Austin, Texas A&M. Also UC San Diego. At the end, top 2 were private T20 with merit & need aids.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Why is that? Two factors: large class size, no ED prior cycles. Chicago has a massive yield because of multiple ED rounds. This isn't rocket science.

NYU with 29,000 undergrads and a yield rate of 55% provides a clue as to a possible ceiling for schools with large class sizes, if so, Michigan and Cal around 45% are doing well.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Why is that? Two factors: large class size, no ED prior cycles. Chicago has a massive yield because of multiple ED rounds. This isn't rocket science.

NYU with 29,000 undergrads and a yield rate of 55% provides a clue as to a possible ceiling for schools with large class sizes, if so, Michigan and Cal around 45% are doing well.

So Michigan is comparable to both Cal and NYU?

Who are Michigan’s true peers? Other than UCLA, Cal, and then further down: UVA, UT, UNC?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s basically a guarantee that the true top kids shooting for HYPSM will continue to apply EA, not ED. But in the current environment, where so many kids want a big school experience, it’s plausible to me that Michigan will steal ED market share from schools like Penn, Cornell, Northwestern, and Duke. To parents prepared to pay those private-school prices, Michigan would look like a bargain. And those kids often come from private schools or affluent neighborhoods where they are under pretty intense pressure to “play their ED card” somewhere. Now they can apply ED to Michigan.

Make sure you talk to current students. I know a lot of unhappy, freshman (academically) with very large classes with lack of access to their advisors. Everyone says it gets better by junior and senior year but that’s a long time away. And socially, much more competitive than people expected

Yes, I could have written this. My child's friends at Michigan are in massive classes (300-500+) and could not get any class remotely of their choosing for the fall. And the social scene is rough--lots of money and snobbery from NJ and NY and hard to find your people if you don't luck out by who is on your dorm hall. My daughter's friends who are struggling the most socially of any college are both at Michigan. You can't tell from their Instagrams (they all depict them in super happy friend groups at football games) but both are really lonely.

Why people pay private rates for a public school experience I will never understand. Luckily my own DC has zero interest in football or rah-rah large schools. It’s obviously up to them, but my dream would be for my DC to attend a SLAC where most classes have 20 or fewer students, taught by professors, and the focus of the entire school is on the undergraduates.

That’s great if that’s what your kid wants! I have a kid at a SLAC who is deliriously happy because that’s the experience he wanted. And I have another kid who wants the wants the big school, big sports experience of Michigan and is applying ED there. Value is not objective.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the kids at my DC’s school applying ED to Michigan have stats that are slightly under what the “average” EA acceptance would have been at our school last year. They are hoping ED gives them a boost. The really top stats kids are not applying ED. One I know applying ED is even applying test optional—not a good idea out of state.

Also, PP is correct. Michigan totally favors legacy kids.

Michigan favors legacy kids, but I wonder if there will be as much of a difference now that ED is an option. Their OOS yield is pretty low and admitting legacies were a way to boost it (more likely to attend). Now OOS kids can clearly demonstrate strong interest.

At least at the top public in MoCo, the Bethesda magazine showed that Michigan had the highest yield out of all the public universities, 45%, higher than even UMCP, UVA, UNC, Berkeley, etc

But still abysmal compared to top privates. why is that?

Why is that? Two factors: large class size, no ED prior cycles. Chicago has a massive yield because of multiple ED rounds. This isn't rocket science.

NYU with 29,000 undergrads and a yield rate of 55% provides a clue as to a possible ceiling for schools with large class sizes, if so, Michigan and Cal around 45% are doing well.

So Michigan is comparable to both Cal and NYU?

Who are Michigan’s true peers? Other than UCLA, Cal, and then further down: UVA, UT, UNC?

Don’t know, I don’t rank schools based upon yield rate. Just noting that NYU has the highest yield rate for a large undergraduate school. Cal and Michigan look even better when the fact that NYU admits a lot of its class through ED is considered while Cal and Michigan haven’t.

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Anonymous wrote:When my kid toured Michigan, it sounded like the colleges were reviewed separately and by different criteria. My kid applied kinesiology and needed demonstrated interest activities and classes etc all having to do with kinesiology. it is a much smaller pool of admits so assume more competitive than other majors. But guessing they care more about science grades than English, for example.

Is that not the case? This thread makes it sound like all the schools are reviewed together. If separate, would guess scores needed for LSA could be different from engineering, for example.

No, you are correct. They are reviewed separately. The Why Michigan essay comes into play here bc/, since you said Kinesiology, your kid had to explain why they wanted to be in one the top 3 programs in the country for that field of study.

Thanks, PP here. That is what I thought. And yes, essay is all about kinesiology but even more, had to have tons of activities (internship, sports captain and managed a team, science club etc), classes (every bio and chem class they could squeeze in) and recs (from science teachers), bent towards the field too.

They thought about applying LSA but the major is more important than Michigan and is hard to get in later too.

FYI - The regional rep and other readers in the main office still do the initial review and scoring of the file comparing against others at your high school applying for admissions (rigor, classes, etc.). So you are initially reviewed against the kids from your high school applying to LSA, Engineering, etc. They are very clear about this at the info sessions.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, the 25% SAT is very low compared to top privates and other select public schools, but Michigan has to enroll Michigan students. Some of these don't have that great of an SAT. No difference than what the UC system used to do with schools like UC Santa Cruz.

But still an SAT 25% of 1360 is still very strong. While half don't submit an SAT and the vast majority of non-submitters have an SAT below 1400, Michigan gets a well rounded class. Is it elite? No, but it doesn't pretend to do that in granting admission.

This stat is wrong. 69% submit SAT or ACT. So 31% TO not 50%.

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Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

Who said “top students”. At our HS, the top students aren’t applying ED to Michigan. Our top 10% go t10. Then the next decile or two think about Georgetown, Ross, UCLA, Midd etc.

But there’s for sure a 50% kid who wants WI. So why wouldn’t they grab these full pay kids who have gone to rigorous private schools and won’t be the top students but won’t be any problems at all. And bring plenty of connections

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Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

This. DC got in EA rounds for UMDCP (in state), UNC, Wisc-Madison, Michigan, UIUC, UT Austin, Texas A&M. Also UC San Diego. At the end, top 2 were private T20 with merit & need aids.

Where did they go?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:watch WI, MN, UTK, UTA etc all move to ED next year

Very few OOS top students are going to apply ED to any of the above mentioned schools if it ever gets offered.

This. DC got in EA rounds for UMDCP (in state), UNC, Wisc-Madison, Michigan, UIUC, UT Austin, Texas A&M. Also UC San Diego. At the end, top 2 were private T20 with merit & need aids.

Where did they go?

What does it matter?