Magnets, Regions, and the Future of MCPS Gifted Kids

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Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

That is because they are telling everyone how unfair it is that the DCC schools "get to" share a bunch of programs that rich schools have at their home schools

Well the DCC have program that other poor schools don’t which is the issue.

Whitman can have their special programs that only Whitman students can partake in, but the poors in DCC absolutely cannot have special programs.

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"It's so unfair that some kids, like those at wealthy school and the DCC have access to special programs and others do not!"
"Okay, let's reduce access for DCC kids. For equity."

lol, exactly. And that's the proposed regional model in a nutshell.

"Also for equity we need to give the wealthy schools more programs so they aren't left out from getting more programs. But the DCC has to have less, for equity"

Well, you also have to force the poors to stay within their region with other poors, and give them a fake SMCS (which is actually a regular science class with the same teacher. just reclassified) so they can have something to celebrate.

Forgot to add, for equity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

That is because they are telling everyone how unfair it is that the DCC schools "get to" share a bunch of programs that rich schools have at their home schools

Well the DCC have program that other poor schools don’t which is the issue.

Whitman can have their special programs that only Whitman students can partake in, but the poors in DCC absolutely cannot have special programs.

+1

"It's so unfair that some kids, like those at wealthy school and the DCC have access to special programs and others do not!"
"Okay, let's reduce access for DCC kids. For equity."

lol, exactly. And that's the proposed regional model in a nutshell.

"Also for equity we need to give the wealthy schools more programs so they aren't left out from getting more programs. But the DCC has to have less, for equity"

Well, you also have to force the poors to stay within their region with other poors, and give them a fake SMCS (which is actually a regular science class with the same teacher. just reclassified) so they can have something to celebrate.

But also don’t have programs at the wealthy schools so the poors stay with the other poors.

[Anonymous]

This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

That is because they are telling everyone how unfair it is that the DCC schools "get to" share a bunch of programs that rich schools have at their home schools

Well the DCC have program that other poor schools don’t which is the issue.

Whitman can have their special programs that only Whitman students can partake in, but the poors in DCC absolutely cannot have special programs.

+1

"It's so unfair that some kids, like those at wealthy school and the DCC have access to special programs and others do not!"
"Okay, let's reduce access for DCC kids. For equity."

lol, exactly. And that's the proposed regional model in a nutshell.

"Also for equity we need to give the wealthy schools more programs so they aren't left out from getting more programs. But the DCC has to have less, for equity"

Well, you also have to force the poors to stay within their region with other poors, and give them a fake SMCS (which is actually a regular science class with the same teacher. just reclassified) so they can have something to celebrate.

But also don’t have programs at the wealthy schools so the poors stay with the other poors.

There are relatively wealthy students currently attending every MCPS high school. However, many of those kids may leave those schools if you say you have to travel one hour to and from a wealthy school to access advanced coursework.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

People are posting about how the regional program model will affect their own kids. I don't pretend to speak for other families, that's why I don't post about how families in other parts of the county will be impacted.

I'm not going to shut up because you hate the DCC and call us names in an effort to shut down advocacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

People are posting about how the regional program model will affect their own kids. I don't pretend to speak for other families, that's why I don't post about how families in other parts of the county will be impacted.

I'm not going to shut up because you hate the DCC and call us names in an effort to shut down advocacy.

But that's not what you're doing. Your "advocacy" comes at the expense of opportunities for other kids while deriding "equity." You are asking for exactly what you are mocking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

It's because you know your child does not need RMIB/Blair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

It's because you know your child does not need RMIB/Blair.

What does that even mean? No kid needs RMIB/Blair and the lottery does not even guarantee admission. The only guarantee is to move in-bounds to the school of your choice or send your kid to private school. Everything else is a gamble that we accept by choosing to stay in our current home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

This statement implies an equality mindset, not an equity mindset. If they were taking an equity approach, their goal would not be to create a system that looks uniform, because they would be acknowledging that different school communities need different things. Having low income kids travel the Bethesda for criteria based programs is not equity, it's inequity.

Well I for one am sick of equity mindset because it means different things to different people and it’s weaponized to pit kids against each other and manipulate decisions. I’m cool with the “give kids what they each need” definition. I’m really not cool with the constant redistribution of opportunities ignoring the needs of actual kids in favor of optics and quotas and treating seeing kids only as members of racial or socioeconomic monoliths.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

People are posting about how the regional program model will affect their own kids. I don't pretend to speak for other families, that's why I don't post about how families in other parts of the county will be impacted.

I'm not going to shut up because you hate the DCC and call us names in an effort to shut down advocacy.

But that's not what you're doing. Your "advocacy" comes at the expense of opportunities for other kids while deriding "equity." You are asking for exactly what you are mocking.

What specifically have I advocated for that comes at the expense of other kids? I want equity, I haven't derided equity. The regional program proposal does not offer any indication they have done any kind of equity analysis and does not seem to promote equity as has been explained by multiple posters on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

This statement implies an equality mindset, not an equity mindset. If they were taking an equity approach, their goal would not be to create a system that looks uniform, because they would be acknowledging that different school communities need different things. Having low income kids travel the Bethesda for criteria based programs is not equity, it's inequity.

Well I for one am sick of equity mindset because it means different things to different people and it’s weaponized to pit kids against each other and manipulate decisions. I’m cool with the “give kids what they each need” definition. I’m really not cool with the constant redistribution of opportunities ignoring the needs of actual kids in favor of optics and quotas and treating seeing kids only as members of racial or socioeconomic monoliths.

In terms of academic opportunities, which ones do wealthy schools not have that they need? For example Whitman and BCC send very very few kids to Blair or RMIB. Is it because these commutes are so bad or is it because both of these schools have a wealth of advanced math and science classes?

It’s both. The commutes are legitimately bad and the magnet bus coverage from those clusters is not super convenient. And if your home school is great and offers enough of what you need, it can be harder to justify making the transportation sacrifice. It’s also a bit of a vibe thing. Many BCC families aren’t science Olympiad types.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

This statement implies an equality mindset, not an equity mindset. If they were taking an equity approach, their goal would not be to create a system that looks uniform, because they would be acknowledging that different school communities need different things. Having low income kids travel the Bethesda for criteria based programs is not equity, it's inequity.

Well I for one am sick of equity mindset because it means different things to different people and it’s weaponized to pit kids against each other and manipulate decisions. I’m cool with the “give kids what they each need” definition. I’m really not cool with the constant redistribution of opportunities ignoring the needs of actual kids in favor of optics and quotas and treating seeing kids only as members of racial or socioeconomic monoliths.

In terms of academic opportunities, which ones do wealthy schools not have that they need? For example Whitman and BCC send very very few kids to Blair or RMIB. Is it because these commutes are so bad or is it because both of these schools have a wealth of advanced math and science classes?

It’s both. The commutes are legitimately bad and the magnet bus coverage from those clusters is not super convenient. And if your home school is great and offers enough of what you need, it can be harder to justify making the transportation sacrifice. It’s also a bit of a vibe thing. Many BCC families aren’t science Olympiad types.

Outside of BCC and the W schools, only a select few home schools have advanced classes so those kids, like mine, go without the classes they need. All students should have the same opportunities if MCPS believes in equity. The magnets nor the regional plan create equity for many of our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

This statement implies an equality mindset, not an equity mindset. If they were taking an equity approach, their goal would not be to create a system that looks uniform, because they would be acknowledging that different school communities need different things. Having low income kids travel the Bethesda for criteria based programs is not equity, it's inequity.

Well I for one am sick of equity mindset because it means different things to different people and it’s weaponized to pit kids against each other and manipulate decisions. I’m cool with the “give kids what they each need” definition. I’m really not cool with the constant redistribution of opportunities ignoring the needs of actual kids in favor of optics and quotas and treating seeing kids only as members of racial or socioeconomic monoliths.

In terms of academic opportunities, which ones do wealthy schools not have that they need? For example Whitman and BCC send very very few kids to Blair or RMIB. Is it because these commutes are so bad or is it because both of these schools have a wealth of advanced math and science classes?

It’s both. The commutes are legitimately bad and the magnet bus coverage from those clusters is not super convenient. And if your home school is great and offers enough of what you need, it can be harder to justify making the transportation sacrifice. It’s also a bit of a vibe thing. Many BCC families aren’t science Olympiad types.

What's so terrible about those commutes? They go against traffic for both schools. As far as long commutes to magnet programs go these are really not bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so hilariously myopic. There are more schools in MCPS than just Whitman and DCC.

I could easily whine, "why does your DCC kid get to have school choice when mine has to stay at our high FARMS school if they don't get into RMIB/Blair?"

But I don't. Because I'm not a selfish toddler.

People are posting about how the regional program model will affect their own kids. I don't pretend to speak for other families, that's why I don't post about how families in other parts of the county will be impacted.

I'm not going to shut up because you hate the DCC and call us names in an effort to shut down advocacy.

But that's not what you're doing. Your "advocacy" comes at the expense of opportunities for other kids while deriding "equity." You are asking for exactly what you are mocking.

What specifically have I advocated for that comes at the expense of other kids? I want equity, I haven't derided equity. The regional program proposal does not offer any indication they have done any kind of equity analysis and does not seem to promote equity as has been explained by multiple posters on this thread.

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The proposed model is equity for some, not all.

MCPS's proposal does not effect real equity. It further disempowers poor communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need a program if only to say that they aren’t excluding kids from other schools. If they don’t have one it looks exclusionary.

This statement implies an equality mindset, not an equity mindset. If they were taking an equity approach, their goal would not be to create a system that looks uniform, because they would be acknowledging that different school communities need different things. Having low income kids travel the Bethesda for criteria based programs is not equity, it's inequity.

Well I for one am sick of equity mindset because it means different things to different people and it’s weaponized to pit kids against each other and manipulate decisions. I’m cool with the “give kids what they each need” definition. I’m really not cool with the constant redistribution of opportunities ignoring the needs of actual kids in favor of optics and quotas and treating seeing kids only as members of racial or socioeconomic monoliths.

In terms of academic opportunities, which ones do wealthy schools not have that they need? For example Whitman and BCC send very very few kids to Blair or RMIB. Is it because these commutes are so bad or is it because both of these schools have a wealth of advanced math and science classes?

It’s both. The commutes are legitimately bad and the magnet bus coverage from those clusters is not super convenient. And if your home school is great and offers enough of what you need, it can be harder to justify making the transportation sacrifice. It’s also a bit of a vibe thing. Many BCC families aren’t science Olympiad types.

What's so terrible about those commutes? They go against traffic for both schools. As far as long commutes to magnet programs go these are really not bad

Many spots in these clusters are very far away from one or both schools. And there is definitely traffic everywhere in this county. And you end up going multiple extra times for sports and activities and parent meetings. Unless you’ve lived it, I wouldn’t poo poo it.