Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?

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^Most likely not from Kansas.

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Anonymous wrote:you guys are missing the point - for the ivy or bust striver-athletes and their ivy or bust parents, D3 is a difficult pill to swallow - and the Williams name can ease that pain, and is really the only acceptable D3 option for this striver class - along with trumpeting to everyone they know that “Williams has been the #1 ranked liberal arts school for x years”. It’s not about Amherst or Pomona being as good or better (which I believe), it’s solely about the name with this class of folks

You’re delusional. The majority of people have no idea that Williams isn’t a community college somewhere in New England. If you’re in it for the name, you go somewhere else.

Your vote doesn't count and neither does the majority. You are one of the people who just doesn't get it. The people who matter know and those who don't know really don't matter.

Keep telling yourself that to justify dishing out $320K+ for a school no one has even heard of. Can you get any more generic than "Williams"? Maybe "Jones"? You're better off going to Penn State. People have heard of that.

Sure thing….Might want to ask yourself why the top SLACs have higher acceptance rates to med school, law schools, top grad programs, IB, MBB, etc. than virtually any schools outside of HYPSM.

I'm not doubting that these colleges produce graduates who go on to attend prestigious grad schools and do okay in life. That's not my point. My point is that if you're a prestige whore and are interested in impressing people, don't go to Williams. Maybe Amherst is better because people might think it's UMass. Bowdoin? 99% of people can't even pronounce it. The Ivies, Duke, Standford, MIT--people know you're smart. Williams? People nod their head but have no idea that it's a decent school (which it most certainly is).

Other than MIT, if I meet anyone from the colleges you names in your post, I don't assume they are smart. So many ways to get into all these schools that have nothing to do with merit. At my firm, we had interns from Stanford, Duke, Swarthmore, Columbia, University of Nashville, UNC, Alabama etc. In terms of performance they were indistinguishable. I only know their schools because we got an email introducing them.

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80% of MIT admits from our HS over the last 10 years are female athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:you guys are missing the point - for the ivy or bust striver-athletes and their ivy or bust parents, D3 is a difficult pill to swallow - and the Williams name can ease that pain, and is really the only acceptable D3 option for this striver class - along with trumpeting to everyone they know that “Williams has been the #1 ranked liberal arts school for x years”. It’s not about Amherst or Pomona being as good or better (which I believe), it’s solely about the name with this class of folks

Agree that Pomona attracts few prestige seeking students because it's not that well known. But surprised that there is a big difference between Williams and Amherst. I always thought those were the two top names for LACs and the schools are similar.

There is no difference between any of the top 10 or so SLACs, none. They are all great schools and kids should choose based on fit. This whole WASP argument is just ongoing DCUM nonsense to give insecure parents something to argue about, same as HYPSM nonsense.

There is no difference between HYPSM and other national unis? And WAsP is imaginary. Er, OK. Hope you are not advising applicants.

No difference between HYPSM and the rest of the T20. And, no difference between WASP and the other half dozen SLACs with identical student profiles.

And, no difference between WASP between the T20 and the top SLACs except that you will receive a superior undergraduate education at the SLACs.

If you believe otherwise you are part of the problem.

If you are an applicant applying to these schools, there is a difference. If you believe otherwise, have fun in the rejection pile. And it is the whole process that is undermined by your stance: ill-advised SCEA app means pissed away ED opportunities, then a more competitive ED2 round, then — oops — end up at a safety school.

But I guess that’s OK.

Your entire comment makes no sense, could you try again bwecause I think that you were trying to make a point.

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore hasn’t been relevant since the Mike Dukakis tank political ads

#3 on USNews best LACs
#27 in Forbes best Colleges & Universities
#34 in PayScale College Salary Report (Bachelor's Only).

But hey, what do they know.

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Anonymous wrote:PAWS would be the order my kid would place them. Prefer the California weather.

But you are just the incessant Pomona booster. Your opinion really isn't relevant either.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, Duke and Stanford have the national cache or wow factor. Amherst, Williams, Swartmore, and Bowdoin definitely don’t. This is not the 1960’s of Mad Men era, the country is less Northeast centric. Excluding Williams kids from Colgate, Holy Cross, and Davidson place better in corporate America. Schools like Wellesley, Wesleyan, Swarthmore, Haverford, Vassar underperform- too woke. As a grad of 2 Ivies, acknowledge big SEC schools are benefiting from the economic and population migration to the South including Texas.

This is a decent sized pile of incomprehensibility and delusion.

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Anonymous wrote:My Ivy circles trump those WASP circles 8 days a week!

Doubtful because if you actually ran in those circles (which I do) you would know that they are fully intermixed. You should feel comforted by the fact that Pick, Waldron, and Solomon won't look down on you because of your inferior education.

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Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

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Anonymous wrote:Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Mainly a factor of wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:you guys are missing the point - for the ivy or bust striver-athletes and their ivy or bust parents, D3 is a difficult pill to swallow - and the Williams name can ease that pain, and is really the only acceptable D3 option for this striver class - along with trumpeting to everyone they know that “Williams has been the #1 ranked liberal arts school for x years”. It’s not about Amherst or Pomona being as good or better (which I believe), it’s solely about the name with this class of folks

You’re delusional. The majority of people have no idea that Williams isn’t a community college somewhere in New England. If you’re in it for the name, you go somewhere else.

Your vote doesn't count and neither does the majority. You are one of the people who just doesn't get it. The people who matter know and those who don't know really don't matter.

Keep telling yourself that to justify dishing out $320K+ for a school no one has even heard of. Can you get any more generic than "Williams"? Maybe "Jones"? You're better off going to Penn State. People have heard of that.

Sure thing….Might want to ask yourself why the top SLACs have higher acceptance rates to med school, law schools, top grad programs, IB, MBB, etc. than virtually any schools outside of HYPSM.

I'm not doubting that these colleges produce graduates who go on to attend prestigious grad schools and do okay in life. That's not my point. My point is that if you're a prestige whore and are interested in impressing people, don't go to Williams. Maybe Amherst is better because people might think it's UMass. Bowdoin? 99% of people can't even pronounce it. The Ivies, Duke, Standford, MIT--people know you're smart. Williams? People nod their head but have no idea that it's a decent school (which it most certainly is).

People who matter know you are smart. It is kind of a good way of sorting people.

Ahhh, the tired "people who matter" argument. Sorry you think that 99% of the people who live in this country don't matter.

you're delusional if you think only 1% of Americans know williams.

True- less than 1% of Americans know of Williams.

Williams is one of those schools with a name problem in the general public (Penn and UChicago being the other main ones). Swarthmore and Amherst certainly roll off the tongue better
Given how many kids are going to prestigious (and big-brand) grad and professional schools from Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams, I'd be less concerned with what Jimmy down the block thinks is impressive. He is unlikely to know Cornell, Brown, or Caltech either. But yes, he'd be very impressed by Harvard, Stanford, and Yale (shocker).

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^LOL! Williams is better known in the public than Amherst or Swarthmore.
Most people equate Amherst with UMass. Wellesley has good recognition probably more to do with Hillary Clinton and not in a positive light. Went to a top 2 business school and never met a classmate from Swarthmore, Haverford,or Pomona. Loaded with Dukies, UPenn, Dartmouth, Stanford. Among LACs-Williams, Holy Cross, and a good number from Colgate. IMO, Amherst and Swarthmore, Haverford types gravitate to PHD programs and academia.

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Anonymous wrote:you guys are missing the point - for the ivy or bust striver-athletes and their ivy or bust parents, D3 is a difficult pill to swallow - and the Williams name can ease that pain, and is really the only acceptable D3 option for this striver class - along with trumpeting to everyone they know that “Williams has been the #1 ranked liberal arts school for x years”. It’s not about Amherst or Pomona being as good or better (which I believe), it’s solely about the name with this class of folks

You’re delusional. The majority of people have no idea that Williams isn’t a community college somewhere in New England. If you’re in it for the name, you go somewhere else.

Your vote doesn't count and neither does the majority. You are one of the people who just doesn't get it. The people who matter know and those who don't know really don't matter.

Keep telling yourself that to justify dishing out $320K+ for a school no one has even heard of. Can you get any more generic than "Williams"? Maybe "Jones"? You're better off going to Penn State. People have heard of that.

Sure thing….Might want to ask yourself why the top SLACs have higher acceptance rates to med school, law schools, top grad programs, IB, MBB, etc. than virtually any schools outside of HYPSM.

Jimmy would also think highly of Bama and Clemson because he sees them on TV.

I'm not doubting that these colleges produce graduates who go on to attend prestigious grad schools and do okay in life. That's not my point. My point is that if you're a prestige whore and are interested in impressing people, don't go to Williams. Maybe Amherst is better because people might think it's UMass. Bowdoin? 99% of people can't even pronounce it. The Ivies, Duke, Standford, MIT--people know you're smart. Williams? People nod their head but have no idea that it's a decent school (which it most certainly is).

People who matter know you are smart. It is kind of a good way of sorting people.

Ahhh, the tired "people who matter" argument. Sorry you think that 99% of the people who live in this country don't matter.

you're delusional if you think only 1% of Americans know williams.

True- less than 1% of Americans know of Williams.

Williams is one of those schools with a name problem in the general public (Penn and UChicago being the other main ones). Swarthmore and Amherst certainly roll off the tongue better
Given how many kids are going to prestigious (and big-brand) grad and professional schools from Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams, I'd be less concerned with what Jimmy down the block thinks is impressive. He is unlikely to know Cornell, Brown, or Caltech either. But yes, he'd be very impressed by Harvard, Stanford, and Yale (shocker).

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Anonymous wrote:you guys are missing the point - for the ivy or bust striver-athletes and their ivy or bust parents, D3 is a difficult pill to swallow - and the Williams name can ease that pain, and is really the only acceptable D3 option for this striver class - along with trumpeting to everyone they know that “Williams has been the #1 ranked liberal arts school for x years”. It’s not about Amherst or Pomona being as good or better (which I believe), it’s solely about the name with this class of folks

You’re delusional. The majority of people have no idea that Williams isn’t a community college somewhere in New England. If you’re in it for the name, you go somewhere else.

Your vote doesn't count and neither does the majority. You are one of the people who just doesn't get it. The people who matter know and those who don't know really don't matter.

Keep telling yourself that to justify dishing out $320K+ for a school no one has even heard of. Can you get any more generic than "Williams"? Maybe "Jones"? You're better off going to Penn State. People have heard of that.

Sure thing….Might want to ask yourself why the top SLACs have higher acceptance rates to med school, law schools, top grad programs, IB, MBB, etc. than virtually any schools outside of HYPSM.

I'm not doubting that these colleges produce graduates who go on to attend prestigious grad schools and do okay in life. That's not my point. My point is that if you're a prestige whore and are interested in impressing people, don't go to Williams. Maybe Amherst is better because people might think it's UMass. Bowdoin? 99% of people can't even pronounce it. The Ivies, Duke, Standford, MIT--people know you're smart. Williams? People nod their head but have no idea that it's a decent school (which it most certainly is).

People who matter know you are smart. It is kind of a good way of sorting people.

Ahhh, the tired "people who matter" argument. Sorry you think that 99% of the people who live in this country don't matter.

you're delusional if you think only 1% of Americans know williams.

True- less than 1% of Americans know of Williams.

Williams is one of those schools with a name problem in the general public (Penn and UChicago being the other main ones). Swarthmore and Amherst certainly roll off the tongue better
Given how many kids are going to prestigious (and big-brand) grad and professional schools from Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams, I'd be less concerned with what Jimmy down the block thinks is impressive. He is unlikely to know Cornell, Brown, or Caltech either. But yes, he'd be very impressed by Harvard, Stanford, and Yale (shocker).

And Jimmie loves Bama, Auburn, Clemson and Old Miss. He sees then on TV so they must be great!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).