Athletic recruit: things I have learned from this so far

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

Our child is currently G5.

G5? I am not familiar with that.

I think that he means group of 5. This would be the second tier of FBS football, which is still elite and better than Ivy or most other FCS programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

For top 30 D1 programs, getting recruited for football is achievable if you have exceptional talent. For some athletes, combining innate physical gifts like size, speed, and strength with mastery of high-level football skills comes more naturally than achieving a 4.0 GPA or scoring at the top of standardized tests. As for NESCAC schools, their recruited football players typically aren't at the same level as top D1 players, or they would likely be competing at D1 programs, including the Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

For top 30 D1 programs, getting recruited for football is achievable if you have exceptional talent. For some athletes, combining innate physical gifts like size, speed, and strength with mastery of high-level football skills comes more naturally than achieving a 4.0 GPA or scoring at the top of standardized tests. As for NESCAC schools, their recruited football players typically aren't at the same level as top D1 players, or they would likely be competing at D1 programs, including the Ivies.

Agree that most D3 football players are typically too small for D1 no matter their skill level. Not so cut and dried for many sports though where kids who don’t make an Ivy drop into High Academic D3 rather than lower the academic bar. Most aren’t at that level but you find a few on many teams and many in sports like lacrosse particularly on the women’s side. I know a NESCAC volleyball player who turned down multiple mid-majors after she didn’t quite make the Final Cut at Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, are you willing to share the sport ?

Is it a revenue (basketball or football) sport ?

Depending on the school other sports are plus revenue sports. Hockey is a revenue sport, as is softball at a growing number of universities.

The two you mentioned are certainly revenue sports but the way of thinking that they are the only two are outdated.

Hard to believe that softball is a revenue sport; can you name some schools where this is true ? TIA

Same for "hockey". Is that ice hockey or field hockey ?

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While I understand that any sport can generate revenue through ticket sales, concessions, & TV revenue, my understanding is that, typically, all sports other than football & basketball need funding beyond the revenue generated by that sport. Often college football funds the overwhelming majority of an athletics dept. budget.

Men’s ice hockey is huge in the Minnesota / Michigan area and the New England area .

The Boston Beanpot is played every year at TD Garden and it’s top hockey teams BC, BU. and Northeastern play. The fourth team is Harvard, although they aren’t in the same conference and there are better New England teams it’s a tradition.

Hockey players start college at 23. Redshirt in HS. Farm league for a year or two…then college scholarship. And best if you are at a prep school.

They really overwork them compared to 25 - 30 years ago. Now colleges with not so great academics have D3 hockey teams with players coming from Canada, Norway, Iceland.

Why the change? If you look at the top players for the Bruins from 1970 to the present the stats haven’t gotten better, there are no more goals scored than 30 years ago. The current players are not surpassing the older players. So why is it so different? That’s a lot of time played without drawing a salary.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

For top 30 D1 programs, getting recruited for football is achievable if you have exceptional talent. For some athletes, combining innate physical gifts like size, speed, and strength with mastery of high-level football skills comes more naturally than achieving a 4.0 GPA or scoring at the top of standardized tests. As for NESCAC schools, their recruited football players typically aren't at the same level as top D1 players, or they would likely be competing at D1 programs, including the Ivies.

Agree that most D3 football players are typically too small for D1 no matter their skill level. Not so cut and dried for many sports though where kids who don’t make an Ivy drop into High Academic D3 rather than lower the academic bar. Most aren’t at that level but you find a few on many teams and many in sports like lacrosse particularly on the women’s side. I know a NESCAC volleyball player who turned down multiple mid-majors after she didn’t quite make the Final Cut at Yale.

Same with UAA for Women's Soccer. Many of those recruits had mid major interest or offer. Many were in the running for top D1 programs including Ivys but just missed.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

For top 30 D1 programs, getting recruited for football is achievable if you have exceptional talent. For some athletes, combining innate physical gifts like size, speed, and strength with mastery of high-level football skills comes more naturally than achieving a 4.0 GPA or scoring at the top of standardized tests. As for NESCAC schools, their recruited football players typically aren't at the same level as top D1 players, or they would likely be competing at D1 programs, including the Ivies.

Agree that most D3 football players are typically too small for D1 no matter their skill level. Not so cut and dried for many sports though where kids who don’t make an Ivy drop into High Academic D3 rather than lower the academic bar. Most aren’t at that level but you find a few on many teams and many in sports like lacrosse particularly on the women’s side. I know a NESCAC volleyball player who turned down multiple mid-majors after she didn’t quite make the Final Cut at Yale.

Same with UAA for Women's Soccer. Many of those recruits had mid major interest or offer. Many were in the running for top D1 programs including Ivys but just missed.

UAA Soccer and Volleyball, NESCAC Lacrosse, Field Hockey, and Soccer are all very tough D3 conferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting recruited to a top 30 D1 academic school is a lot harder than getting straight As and maxing out standardized test. The competition to get recruited for these schools is insane. If you were to take all of the athletes interested and qualified for the slot it would be less than a 1% acceptance rate. The kids that get recruited are vetted for more rigorously than any regular student. Coaches watch them compete for over a year, have multiple calls with hs coaches, club coaches and teachers, do interviews with the athlete, and pre-reads with admissions before making their selection. Once the coach selects the athlete it’s pretty much guaranteed admissions, but that is because the kid has already been fully vetted by the time actual admissions happens.

Change D1 to D3 and you are spot on. There is much greater flexibility at Most D1 programs outside of the Ivy League. People are a bit delusional about how hard it is to pass through the recruiting process for most NESCAC and UAA schools.

For top 30 D1 programs, getting recruited for football is achievable if you have exceptional talent. For some athletes, combining innate physical gifts like size, speed, and strength with mastery of high-level football skills comes more naturally than achieving a 4.0 GPA or scoring at the top of standardized tests. As for NESCAC schools, their recruited football players typically aren't at the same level as top D1 players, or they would likely be competing at D1 programs, including the Ivies.

Agree that most D3 football players are typically too small for D1 no matter their skill level. Not so cut and dried for many sports though where kids who don’t make an Ivy drop into High Academic D3 rather than lower the academic bar. Most aren’t at that level but you find a few on many teams and many in sports like lacrosse particularly on the women’s side. I know a NESCAC volleyball player who turned down multiple mid-majors after she didn’t quite make the Final Cut at Yale.

Same with UAA for Women's Soccer. Many of those recruits had mid major interest or offer. Many were in the running for top D1 programs including Ivys but just missed.

Maybe it's different for women's sports...but my baseball player kid was a top 3 recruit at the UAA school where they are now playing and could barely get any interest from an Ivy. Friend's son recruited for MIT and Chicago basketball couldn't get any interest from any Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

How many scores have you seen? That’s completely believable for a top athlete. A 1280 shows they have a grasp of the knowledge necessary to complete the work. That’s all that is needed for an athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

How many scores have you seen? That’s completely believable for a top athlete. A 1280 shows they have a grasp of the knowledge necessary to complete the work. That’s all that is needed for an athlete.

I’ve seen many many scores, I mentioned in a previous post that I coordinate for a large successful club in my kids sport. It’s. It a helmet sport so I’m familiar there but mid-13’s is as low as I personally have seen Ivies go. I had a kid a couple of years ago get rejected from a top Ivy because they couldn’t get the test score and they ended up at Northwestern.

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PP: It’s not a helmet sport so I’m not familiar with football.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

How many scores have you seen? That’s completely believable for a top athlete. A 1280 shows they have a grasp of the knowledge necessary to complete the work. That’s all that is needed for an athlete.

I’ve seen many many scores, I mentioned in a previous post that I coordinate for a large successful club in my kids sport. It’s. It a helmet sport so I’m familiar there but mid-13’s is as low as I personally have seen Ivies go. I had a kid a couple of years ago get rejected from a top Ivy because they couldn’t get the test score and they ended up at Northwestern.

That makes sense. Ivy’s aren’t looking for the very top athletes so they don’t have to accept lower scores like the colleges where the future pros end up. Still that outlier might have had something that was really important to the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

How many scores have you seen? That’s completely believable for a top athlete. A 1280 shows they have a grasp of the knowledge necessary to complete the work. That’s all that is needed for an athlete.

I’ve seen many many scores, I mentioned in a previous post that I coordinate for a large successful club in my kids sport. It’s. It a helmet sport so I’m familiar there but mid-13’s is as low as I personally have seen Ivies go. I had a kid a couple of years ago get rejected from a top Ivy because they couldn’t get the test score and they ended up at Northwestern.

The Yale LAX coach is on YouTube indicating that half the players have less than 1500 and that there are kids on the team with scores in the 1200s…this was in 2022 when TO was still big. Said transcript and rigor most important.

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1200 kid probably top 100 ranked player in the country. Being that is a lot harder than getting 1500.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume all the anecdotes are from families who have never been through the recruitment process. Some are funny to read.

PP here with recruited DC… what I said about Ivy training and expectations are not anecdotal. I mentioned it specifically because many parents on DCUM think that going “Ivy” is this perfect combination of academic prestige with the ability to play a D1 sport that is not “time consuming.” That is simply not true, so student athletes and parents who actually are going through the process or are thinking about it should ask the right questions. I also did say that it is sport and school specific.

DC committed to play at HA D3, and (for DCs non-revenue field sport) what people have said about NESCAC recruiting is
mostly true (I think it depends on the sport, but there is a lot of leeway at the C band level), that some schools in the Patriot League have a sliding scale for scholarships or offer only 2 slots and are need aware when offering slots, and that you don’t have to be the best student to get into an Ivy for a sport, you just have to be passable and that doesn’t included necessarily having “top tier” rigor or test scores either.

An Ivy told our child they needed at least a 1280 for them to issue a likely letter. We were shocked.

I have never seen a score this low before accepted. I’ve seen quite a few 1360 or so scores for impact players but nothing in that range. Is your child a P4 level athlete?

I’ve seen 1120 accepted
At Yale