My carpenter makes $116/hour

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Doctors in Mexico make like 30k a year and in Europe 70-80k

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Anonymous wrote:It always annoys me that we fund and support all kinds of medical research. I mean who doesn't want a cure for cancer, but then Drug companies and Doctors turn around and build motes around the cures.

Sure, Physicians are like the Big Contractor that drives the shiny truck. But seriously, I don't think Doctors really understand how great they aren't. When it comes to how much staff they have to have how well trained their staff has to be how many drugs and prescriptions. Insurance companies. Large hospitals. Expensive equipment. Lab space etc. Carpenter needs a few saws and hammers or what not you can fit them in a truck.

The next time you are in the hospital, ask for a carpenter to treat you instead of a doctor 🤣

Like I said I can't afford a doctor or a carpenter.

[Anonymous]

$116 seems about right. It's custom work.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors in Mexico make like 30k a year and in Europe 70-80k

We had a European medical student do a shadowship in our DC-area hospital. Both his parents were surgeons in Europe. His eyes bugged out when he heard the salaries MDs here were making.

[Anonymous]

There’s a lot of talk here from people who don’t have a lot of friends and family in the trades. I can tell you they’re doing very well. They live essentially debt free other than the young ones early in their careers with mortgages.

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Anonymous wrote:From that, your carpenter has to pay for health insurance, retirement/401k, insurance for his company, overhead costs, various taxes, etc.

He works alone, has no employees. Out of my $124/hr I also have to pay retirement, insurance (health, disability), plus umbrella not included, commuting, taxes, etc. None of which are deductible against income.

Just because he didn’t go to medical school doesn’t mean his trade doesn’t require specific skills and knowledge and have its own licensing requirements. You want your carpenter to know how to ensure your walls and house aren’t going to fall down. It’s gross that people look down on the trades when they are every bit as needed as other fields.

Yup. And based on the caliber of doctors I’ve seen lately, I am far more impressed with the skills being a carpenter takes.

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Anonymous wrote:Outrageous. The nerve of this carpenter wanting a living wage in the DMV area.

Did you tell him you're a doc? Like several times? He'll probably be so impressed and grateful that he won't even charge you.

ha.. more than likely, he'll charge you more.

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Anonymous wrote:How often do you have a patient bite off a finger?

In a given year, 5% of carpenters will lose a finger.

How many carpenters perform invasive procedures on HIV+ patients?

Many many doctors become sick from their work and many died from COVID they caught from patients you know.

I personally have been treated in the ER for pneumonia, MRSA infection, corneal ulcer, and other issues contracted from health care work.

LOLOL Do you know how much risk rough carpenters and other trades took on to build your house??? To drill for oil? To build/repair your roads??? To tow your car off 495??? No one feels sorry for you except you.

Insurance costs on carpenters is even higher than for doctors

[Anonymous]

It's almost like some people in this thread don't understand how free market capitalism works.

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You seem to be sticking your nose in the air over a craftsman making nearly as much as a doctor. And you went to school while the carpenter was what, sitting by the pool all day? No, he as learning his craft the same as you.

No wonder so many hate the “elites”.

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Good for him. He earns it.

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Anonymous wrote:It always annoys me that we fund and support all kinds of medical research. I mean who doesn't want a cure for cancer, but then Drug companies and Doctors turn around and build motes around the cures.

Sure, Physicians are like the Big Contractor that drives the shiny truck. But seriously, I don't think Doctors really understand how great they aren't. When it comes to how much staff they have to have how well trained their staff has to be how many drugs and prescriptions. Insurance companies. Large hospitals. Expensive equipment. Lab space etc. Carpenter needs a few saws and hammers or what not you can fit them in a truck.

The next time you are in the hospital, ask for a carpenter to treat you instead of a doctor 🤣

The carpenter would probably make very neat and clean stitches.

I read that the post-surgery recovery has extended in recent years because doctors lack fine motor skills so there's a fair amount of bruising when they are in your body doing work. Back in the day kids worked with their hands. Today it's all keyboard and thumbs and those repetitive motions are the motor skills that go into medicine these days.

[Anonymous]

A good carpenter is like a really good tailor or seamstress. They can fit and make anything look great.
A bad carpenter is like the Korean dry cleaner's seamstress by the front window that does a hack job on your garment. It's OK for low price garments but you're not going to give them work on your suit from Hugo Boss.

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Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

How on earth did you get “being a carpenter means you’re anti-science” out of what I wrote?

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

You need to lobby more so that when people see Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants they aren’t billed the same exact rate for an office as seeing a physician!

You need to start blaming private equity companies from buying up medical practices. They are big on hiring fewer doctors and more NPs and PAs

Yes, I am painfully aware of this. Unfortunately it is part of the problem. Also unfortunately, the perfect storm of anti-science, anti-medicine and anti-expertise sentiment in this country is destroying The profession and the quality of the system.

Wow. Being a well-earning carpenter is not anti-science. In fact, they require a good understanding of materials and math.

An advanced degree doesn’t mean you’re smart or worthy of high pay. Tell us how deserving you are because of your vocational degree (which is what an MD is) is superior to a plumber when your pipes backup. Hope he/she charges you triple because you are so deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors in Mexico make like 30k a year and in Europe 70-80k

Yeah they also don’t pay for college or medical school, and they graduate years earlier bc they attend professional school right out of high school. Single payer also means they do not face the same malpractice risk or insurance costs.