If your dc is an athlete (potential recruit) - how are you/dc navigating the sport versus academics?

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

NESCAC

https://nescac.com/

Amherst
Williams
Middlebury
Tufts
Bowdoin
WEsleyan

I don't really know the top 4 but I'm guessing these are the ones everybody would debate, they are all great... idk about trinity.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

WASP (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona) are not the 4 best D3 schools for academics. MIT would be on any list of top D3 schools, and Hopkins and Caltech would would have strong cases for making the list too.

WASP are what some people think are the top 4 LACs. Most
LACs are D3, but not all. Lafayette would be a good example of an exception. Many D3’s are LAC’s but there are definitely both regional and national universities who compete in D3.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Ok. My dc with interest from Nescac or whatever it’s called has recruiting interest from across those groups. But anyway, that’s not the focus and I’m not here to quibble about which school is more academically elite. None of them have particularly great athletics. That’s the issue

There athletics are excellent across the board for most sports, same for UAA. If your kid actually believes that they would dominate then they might not be a fit. What is more likely is that they would be surprised by the number of D1 athletes floating around these schools. Based on real experience there are typically a few in pretty much every sport at top NESCAC or UAA schools for a particular sport.

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

wow - good for him though, sounds like head on straight and mom and dad prepared him. Assume it’s an ACC school since the Ivy opted out of rev share, SEC blew up x country with roster limits, and ACC still fielding respectably sized teams

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Anonymous wrote:We listed all the schools he was willing to go to academically... Ivy, Patriot League, NESCAC and a few others.

We listed the schools by athletic ranking.

He was not a top 10 kid, he was more like a 10-30 kid.

We targeted the schools that intersected.

Three showed interest and 1 finally worked out, by the skin of one's teeth.

Congrats! We followed a similar process and had great results. It took quite a bit of time and work but it worked out in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Dude, chill

Dude, it's information......sit in front of a mirror and repeat your previous comment to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Ok. My dc with interest from Nescac or whatever it’s called has recruiting interest from across those groups. But anyway, that’s not the focus and I’m not here to quibble about which school is more academically elite. None of them have particularly great athletics. That’s the issue

There athletics are excellent across the board for most sports, same for UAA. If your kid actually believes that they would dominate then they might not be a fit. What is more likely is that they would be surprised by the number of D1 athletes floating around these schools. Based on real experience there are typically a few in pretty much every sport at top NESCAC or UAA schools for a particular sport.

If someone is playing at a NESCAC they are by definition a D3 athlete. They can’t be a D1 athlete since the definition of a D1 athlete is someone playing at a D1 school.

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Ok. My dc with interest from Nescac or whatever it’s called has recruiting interest from across those groups. But anyway, that’s not the focus and I’m not here to quibble about which school is more academically elite. None of them have particularly great athletics. That’s the issue

There athletics are excellent across the board for most sports, same for UAA. If your kid actually believes that they would dominate then they might not be a fit. What is more likely is that they would be surprised by the number of D1 athletes floating around these schools. Based on real experience there are typically a few in pretty much every sport at top NESCAC or UAA schools for a particular sport.

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Ok. My dc with interest from Nescac or whatever it’s called has recruiting interest from across those groups. But anyway, that’s not the focus and I’m not here to quibble about which school is more academically elite. None of them have particularly great athletics. That’s the issue

There athletics are excellent across the board for most sports, same for UAA. If your kid actually believes that they would dominate then they might not be a fit. What is more likely is that they would be surprised by the number of D1 athletes floating around these schools. Based on real experience there are typically a few in pretty much every sport at top NESCAC or UAA schools for a particular sport.

If someone is playing at a NESCAC they are by definition a D3 athlete. They can’t be a D1 athlete since the definition of a D1 athlete is someone playing at a D1 school.

"D1 caliber" I fixed it for you you mindless tool.

I happen to personally know multiple D1 to D3 transfers who I guess by your definition aren't D1 athletes but rather former D1 athletes. Basically you are just an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

Middle. 800 and 1500. Sometimes 400.

But an engineering major, so D3 schools didn't work for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

Grades, scores, schools? What will work for one doesn't work for all. Conn College, Trinity, and Bates are great schools but what is acceptable for them isn't nearly enough for Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Middlebury, or Tufts. WEs and Colby will fall between the extremes.

Same holds for the UAA as well Good enough for CWRU, Rochester and Brandeis doesn't cut it at Chicago, Emory, WashU, and CMU with NYU in the middle. All great schools but the standards are not uniform.

Ok. My dc with interest from Nescac or whatever it’s called has recruiting interest from across those groups. But anyway, that’s not the focus and I’m not here to quibble about which school is more academically elite. None of them have particularly great athletics. That’s the issue

There athletics are excellent across the board for most sports, same for UAA. If your kid actually believes that they would dominate then they might not be a fit. What is more likely is that they would be surprised by the number of D1 athletes floating around these schools. Based on real experience there are typically a few in pretty much every sport at top NESCAC or UAA schools for a particular sport.

If someone is playing at a NESCAC they are by definition a D3 athlete. They can’t be a D1 athlete since the definition of a D1 athlete is someone playing at a D1 school.

"D1 caliber" I fixed it for you you mindless tool.

I happen to personally know multiple D1 to D3 transfers who I guess by your definition aren't D1 athletes but rather former D1 athletes. Basically you are just an idiot.

Not PP but FWIW I didn’t understand either.

But you’re right, I’m sure dc will see that there are excellent athletes at d3 there as well. Good point

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

Middle. 800 and 1500. Sometimes 400.

But an engineering major, so D3 schools didn't work for that.

Aha, makes sense! And I just have to chime in that these kids are so impressive to me. I went to a good academic college and thought I was wonderful. I wasn’t also training 3+ hours a day!

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

Middle. 800 and 1500. Sometimes 400.

But an engineering major, so D3 schools didn't work for that.

I'm confused why wouldn't engineering work in a D3 school?

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

Middle. 800 and 1500. Sometimes 400.

But an engineering major, so D3 schools didn't work for that.

I'm confused why wouldn't engineering work in a D3 school?

yep and middle distance is even tougher as kid can’t double with x country - have to at sub 1:50 or 4:05 to garner any real interest from reputable D1