Stanford bringing back legacy preference and test required

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies are only white guys named Chad?

Legacies are dominated by rich white people.

Uh, do you even know what the demographics of Stanford undergraduates have been for the last few decades?

Most of the legacies that I know who have gotten into Stanford in recent years are Asian.

Anecdotal

You would have us think that there aren’t many non-white Stanford alums with kids?

Post a peer-reviewed study if you want to be taken seriously.

Like all the peer-reviewed studies showing that current Stanford legacies are dominated by rich white people?

A peer-reviewed text was posted earlier in the thread. Try to keep up.

Yeah, that didn't say anything about the demographics of current legacies. Nice try though.

Read the book, idiot.

So basically you’re full of crap. Show us where it says anything about Stanford legacies or STFU.

You’re too lazy to read a book? STFU and GFY

Source: trust me bro

Source: a peer-reviewed text you’re too lazy to read. You probably can’t handle the truth bro

If it were the truth, you would have shown it already instead of accusing others of laziness.

WTF are you talking about. I cited my source. GFY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:they are free to do what they want, and make policies that reflect their priorities/values.

we are free to judge them in response.

Exactly. We can take our money and our esteem elsewhere. And Stanford, by maintaining its elitist and unfair legacy policies in spite of clear public will which is against legacy, can lose its reputation among the next generation.

It won’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Just keep in mind legacy status with no history of donation isn't meaningful. It is a reward for continuing engagement and support of the university.

Great news for the 40 year old tech bros.

Luckily they aren't known to be particularly philanthropic. Old money definitely knows the drill . . .

Yet philanthropic enough to take over the entire government. I think they’ll put their money on Stanford.

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Common sense is returning.

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Anonymous wrote:Common sense is returning.

Nothing common sense about ruining merit so rich kids can go to colleges they already have every advantage getting into. Common sense is banning this stupid policy in the US. Many institutions have dropped this. Stanford only needs to do this because to trump’s “common sense” bull$hit costing them hundreds of millions and his absolute trash economy.

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Anonymous wrote:Common sense is returning.

Your privilege is showing again

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Anonymous wrote:From the perspective of an active alumnus, this is a huge relief. College admissions have become so competitive, it has become almost random. The legacies are every bit as qualified on paper as the other admitted students but they aren't subject to the same RNG in the admissions process.

If they are every bit as qualified then maybe they should just be fine applying without the legacy advantage. The process is should be random for everyone. They have the privilege of having educated parents who give then access to all resources and then they also get an unfair advantage in admissions. Does not seem right at all.

But we don't want to have the same chance of getting in as the non-legacy applicant.
If our kid is just as good as every other kid that gets accepted why shouldn't he have a preference based on the fact that he is much likelier to donate as an adult than a non-legacy admit.
It's not like he is getting a 200 point SAT advantage or a 5 point ACT advantage. He is high stat but because of the incredibly large applicant pool, admissions has become somewhat random and his chances are probably 25% or less but with a legacy preferences it might be 50% or more.

Your privilege is showing. Why do you feel so entitled?

How much have you donate to Stanford?

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Anonymous wrote:From the perspective of an active alumnus, this is a huge relief. College admissions have become so competitive, it has become almost random. The legacies are every bit as qualified on paper as the other admitted students but they aren't subject to the same RNG in the admissions process.

If they are every bit as qualified then maybe they should just be fine applying without the legacy advantage. The process is should be random for everyone. They have the privilege of having educated parents who give then access to all resources and then they also get an unfair advantage in admissions. Does not seem right at all.

But we don't want to have the same chance of getting in as the non-legacy applicant.
If our kid is just as good as every other kid that gets accepted why shouldn't he have a preference based on the fact that he is much likelier to donate as an adult than a non-legacy admit.
It's not like he is getting a 200 point SAT advantage or a 5 point ACT advantage. He is high stat but because of the incredibly large applicant pool, admissions has become somewhat random and his chances are probably 25% or less but with a legacy preferences it might be 50% or more.

Cite?

You'll have to take my word for it that my kid has stats above the median and SAT scores above the 75th percentile.

As for likelihood of donation: "Donations, of course, are the other big bonus that legacy students bring. At this college, the alumni engagement office assigned each alumni a score based on how graduates contribute after graduating. It’s unclear exactly how many dollars each point translates to, but legacies had an average “give” score of 48 points, 50 percent higher than the 32 point average of non-legacies."
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-why-elite-colleges-cant-give-up-legacy-admissions/

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public sentiment is against legacy policies at elite colleges. but I guess stanford can't afford to go against its elite donors given their current cash crunch??

What makes these these schools special is the money.

Ivy league without money over centuries is Rutgers.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies are only white guys named Chad?

Legacies are dominated by rich white people.

Uh, do you even know what the demographics of Stanford undergraduates have been for the last few decades?

Most of the legacies that I know who have gotten into Stanford in recent years are Asian.

Anecdotal

You would have us think that there aren’t many non-white Stanford alums with kids?

Post a peer-reviewed study if you want to be taken seriously.

Like all the peer-reviewed studies showing that current Stanford legacies are dominated by rich white people?

A peer-reviewed text was posted earlier in the thread. Try to keep up.

It cracks me up that people can't understand why universities are going to start reinstating legacy. We just saw an entire generation get preference for college admission based on race. Now that that first generation is about to have their children apply, right when affirmative action gets abolished, this is how affirmative action carries through to the next generation. It's quite obvious. Legacy should be upheld everywhere.

Cite that legacy will support affirmative action?

Math.

The alumni racial demographic is looking less and less white these days and they can get closer to their racial profile from 1990 to 2000 by giving a legacy preference. Without the preference, these schools look like very asian/white.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies are only white guys named Chad?

Legacies are dominated by rich white people.

Uh, do you even know what the demographics of Stanford undergraduates have been for the last few decades?

Most of the legacies that I know who have gotten into Stanford in recent years are Asian.

Anecdotal

You would have us think that there aren’t many non-white Stanford alums with kids?

Post a peer-reviewed study if you want to be taken seriously.

Like all the peer-reviewed studies showing that current Stanford legacies are dominated by rich white people?

A peer-reviewed text was posted earlier in the thread. Try to keep up.

It cracks me up that people can't understand why universities are going to start reinstating legacy. We just saw an entire generation get preference for college admission based on race. Now that that first generation is about to have their children apply, right when affirmative action gets abolished, this is how affirmative action carries through to the next generation. It's quite obvious. Legacy should be upheld everywhere.

Cite that legacy will support affirmative action?

I agree that this thread seems to be jumping the shark….
Um, does the previously poster really think Stanford wants to do this to help black and brown folks? I laughed out loud when I read that.

This whole reaction reinforces my view that many people are just closeted racist. Either blatantly racist, e.g., “the DCA crash was because of DEI. So let’s rid the world of any inclusion initiatives ” Or paternalistic racist, e.g., “there is no way a black or brown kid could actually be _more_ or even the same qualified as my kid.”

I’m so tired of these complaints.

Is that paternalism the reason why they give them preferences because they don't think the black and brown kids can compete with it?

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies are only white guys named Chad?

Legacies are dominated by rich white people.

Uh, do you even know what the demographics of Stanford undergraduates have been for the last few decades?

Most of the legacies that I know who have gotten into Stanford in recent years are Asian.

Anecdotal

You would have us think that there aren’t many non-white Stanford alums with kids?

Post a peer-reviewed study if you want to be taken seriously.

Like all the peer-reviewed studies showing that current Stanford legacies are dominated by rich white people?

A peer-reviewed text was posted earlier in the thread. Try to keep up.

It cracks me up that people can't understand why universities are going to start reinstating legacy. We just saw an entire generation get preference for college admission based on race. Now that that first generation is about to have their children apply, right when affirmative action gets abolished, this is how affirmative action carries through to the next generation. It's quite obvious. Legacy should be upheld everywhere.

Cite that legacy will support affirmative action?

Math.

The alumni racial demographic is looking less and less white these days and they can get closer to their racial profile from 1990 to 2000 by giving a legacy preference. Without the preference, these schools look like very asian/white.

For like a single decade where dei was vibrant? The class of 2000 and 2029 look closer to each other than 2018

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies are only white guys named Chad?

Legacies are dominated by rich white people.

Uh, do you even know what the demographics of Stanford undergraduates have been for the last few decades?

Most of the legacies that I know who have gotten into Stanford in recent years are Asian.

Anecdotal

You would have us think that there aren’t many non-white Stanford alums with kids?

Post a peer-reviewed study if you want to be taken seriously.

Like all the peer-reviewed studies showing that current Stanford legacies are dominated by rich white people?

A peer-reviewed text was posted earlier in the thread. Try to keep up.

It cracks me up that people can't understand why universities are going to start reinstating legacy. We just saw an entire generation get preference for college admission based on race. Now that that first generation is about to have their children apply, right when affirmative action gets abolished, this is how affirmative action carries through to the next generation. It's quite obvious. Legacy should be upheld everywhere.

Cite that legacy will support affirmative action?

Math.

The alumni racial demographic is looking less and less white these days and they can get closer to their racial profile from 1990 to 2000 by giving a legacy preference. Without the preference, these schools look like very asian/white.

Nice anecdote

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Anonymous wrote:From the perspective of an active alumnus, this is a huge relief. College admissions have become so competitive, it has become almost random. The legacies are every bit as qualified on paper as the other admitted students but they aren't subject to the same RNG in the admissions process.

If they are every bit as qualified then maybe they should just be fine applying without the legacy advantage. The process is should be random for everyone. They have the privilege of having educated parents who give then access to all resources and then they also get an unfair advantage in admissions. Does not seem right at all.

But we don't want to have the same chance of getting in as the non-legacy applicant.
If our kid is just as good as every other kid that gets accepted why shouldn't he have a preference based on the fact that he is much likelier to donate as an adult than a non-legacy admit.
It's not like he is getting a 200 point SAT advantage or a 5 point ACT advantage. He is high stat but because of the incredibly large applicant pool, admissions has become somewhat random and his chances are probably 25% or less but with a legacy preferences it might be 50% or more.

Your privilege is showing. Why do you feel so entitled?

So tired of the privilege card. Privilege is earned. Someone in the family earned it and passed it down. Maybe instead of whining about privilege people should go out and earn it, so they can pass it down.

What a dumb argument. “Someone in the lineage did something good once so now everyone gets that benefit going forward.”

This is what stanford wants and it is not illegal. If it is not what you want, maybe look at different schools that more closely align with what you want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the perspective of an active alumnus, this is a huge relief. College admissions have become so competitive, it has become almost random. The legacies are every bit as qualified on paper as the other admitted students but they aren't subject to the same RNG in the admissions process.

If they are every bit as qualified then maybe they should just be fine applying without the legacy advantage. The process is should be random for everyone. They have the privilege of having educated parents who give then access to all resources and then they also get an unfair advantage in admissions. Does not seem right at all.

But we don't want to have the same chance of getting in as the non-legacy applicant.
If our kid is just as good as every other kid that gets accepted why shouldn't he have a preference based on the fact that he is much likelier to donate as an adult than a non-legacy admit.
It's not like he is getting a 200 point SAT advantage or a 5 point ACT advantage. He is high stat but because of the incredibly large applicant pool, admissions has become somewhat random and his chances are probably 25% or less but with a legacy preferences it might be 50% or more.

Your privilege is showing. Why do you feel so entitled?

How much have you donate to Stanford?

Too bad your kid can’t get in without a boost.