Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

I wish all the UMC people who think it's fine to lie and cheat to get what you want for your kid understand that this actually contributes to the feeling of lawlessness and decline in DC overall. Like when we talk about problems associated with poor people in DC, like truancy, juvenile crime, and drug use, I wonder if there is any self awareness that a culture that condones one kind of lawlessness necessarily condones the other.

And you wonder why so many DC teens living at or below the poverty line seem to run around with a sense of rage and entitlement? Well this is part of it. The UMC people in the district act like the rules simply do not apply to them, so why on earth should someone who is actually struggling in life follow them? You don't think your kid should have to go to their IB school or play by the rules of the lottery? Cool, then I don't have to go to school at all and also give me your money. The rules don't matter, right? Nothing matters. Who cares.

In a functional society we all agree to follow the rules.

[Anonymous]

I'm not a cheater. I don't like cheaters. A lot of people -- rich or poor -- do their bedt not to cheat, thank goodness!

You people with the slack attitudes about cheating, whether boundaries or tree boxes, suck.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely, we suck. Thank goodness that you've never cheated in any way. God knows, we need a moral paragon like you around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The more bizarre conclusion that driving middle-class families out of DC because they don't have acceptable neighborhood schools is preferable to having them stay. We've been in Ward 6 for 20 years. In that time, at least half of the families with school-age kids we've known have hit the road for NW or the burbs partly because they were fed up with issues relating to access to good DCPS and DCPCS schools. I'd much rather have a neighborhood who's been active in Hill life for years stick around by funding an IB-address for an elementary school than run off to Fairfax. These are the last people I'd report.

It's too easy to judge. We know multiple East Asian immigrant families on CH who went for Brent by fudging an address, after discovering that it was the only public elementary school in Ward 6 with more than a handful of Asian students in the entire school. Are you at that situation as an Asian parent? Get a life.

Agree with this poster. DCPS elementary schools even aren't that great. Nobody should get keyed up about alleged boundary fraud. If you own in-boundary real estate that works for a school for whatever reasons, use it. It's your property. As for J-R, if you have the paperwork to survive an investigation by DCPS, go for it. That's it, that's all.

The only way Dunbar crawls above being a degenerate factory is if they can get IB families to go. Making it easy to commit boundary fraud almost guarantees it will never be more than an underenrolled pit of despair.

Come on, the main reasons that Dunbar will remain an underenrolled pit of despair in the future have nothing to do w/boundary fraud. DCPS could create a high-octane academic magnet program at Dunbar to start to turn things around. I say this as a grad of the Blair Montgomery STEM magnet in the 90s. Just a few years before I went to Blair, few UMC families in the catchment area would touch it. Try getting into Blair now OOB in MoCo, or having your teen test into one of the two magnets there (both admitting 8th graders in the single digits for more than 30 years now).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely, we suck. Thank goodness that you've never cheated in any way. God knows, we need a moral paragon like you around here.

This is such a weird attitude. Yes, we should all aspire not to cheat.

Humans are imperfect and weak and we don't always succeed. I believe in being forgiving. And for instance with regards to boundary cheaters, I would absolutely give that person a second chance. After they stopped cheating and followed the rules of enrollment. I get that people are trying to do right for their kids and that the pressure to get their children a good education may induce people to do think that are wrong. I have empathy.

But the attitude "whatever, everyone cheats, who cares" does not comply with my moral compass. No one is perfect but that doesn't mean we should give up on following rules or trying to be fair and just. Lying about your address (or where you live, if you want to get technical, "vacation rental" people) is morally wrong. You should not do it.

[Anonymous]

This is such an OT judgmental attitude. Who are you to tell fellow DC parents what to do? You could always let them alone to face the consequences of their actions, if it comes to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such an OT judgmental attitude. Who are you to tell fellow DC parents what to do? You could always let them alone to face the consequences of their actions, if it comes to that.

If no one does or says anything, there are no consequences. DC government is broken and nothing ever happens here unless citizens make a stink about it.

[Anonymous]

Great, make a stink about it. Rally the city council and OSSE to crack down on boundary fraud at long last. Go for it! Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish all the UMC people who think it's fine to lie and cheat to get what you want for your kid understand that this actually contributes to the feeling of lawlessness and decline in DC overall. Like when we talk about problems associated with poor people in DC, like truancy, juvenile crime, and drug use, I wonder if there is any self awareness that a culture that condones one kind of lawlessness necessarily condones the other.

And you wonder why so many DC teens living at or below the poverty line seem to run around with a sense of rage and entitlement? Well this is part of it. The UMC people in the district act like the rules simply do not apply to them, so why on earth should someone who is actually struggling in life follow them? You don't think your kid should have to go to their IB school or play by the rules of the lottery? Cool, then I don't have to go to school at all and also give me your money. The rules don't matter, right? Nothing matters. Who cares.

In a functional society we all agree to follow the rules.

I think this is a silly thread but this poster isn't wrong either. Many, many UMC DC residents think they are entitled to do whatever they want because they see themselves as saviors for living in the city at all. They believe their impropriety helps the cities whereas poor people's crimes are a hazard and fail to see any reasons why their own crimes and moral grey choices may impact the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish all the UMC people who think it's fine to lie and cheat to get what you want for your kid understand that this actually contributes to the feeling of lawlessness and decline in DC overall. Like when we talk about problems associated with poor people in DC, like truancy, juvenile crime, and drug use, I wonder if there is any self awareness that a culture that condones one kind of lawlessness necessarily condones the other.

And you wonder why so many DC teens living at or below the poverty line seem to run around with a sense of rage and entitlement? Well this is part of it. The UMC people in the district act like the rules simply do not apply to them, so why on earth should someone who is actually struggling in life follow them? You don't think your kid should have to go to their IB school or play by the rules of the lottery? Cool, then I don't have to go to school at all and also give me your money. The rules don't matter, right? Nothing matters. Who cares.

In a functional society we all agree to follow the rules.

I think this is a silly thread but this poster isn't wrong either. Many, many UMC DC residents think they are entitled to do whatever they want because they see themselves as saviors for living in the city at all. They believe their impropriety helps the cities whereas poor people's crimes are a hazard and fail to see any reasons why their own crimes and moral grey choices may impact the other.

I see this particularly in the pot legalization movement in DC, which was driven by UMC white people who wanted to be able to legally buy and smoke weed in their homes. It's gone poorly, as many longtime DC residents and politicians predicted it would, because the proponents forgot that the city is not just a bunch of lawyers and consultants with weekend weed habits, but a diverse place with lots of problems that it turns out are exacerbated by legalized weed. Good work dummies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish all the UMC people who think it's fine to lie and cheat to get what you want for your kid understand that this actually contributes to the feeling of lawlessness and decline in DC overall. Like when we talk about problems associated with poor people in DC, like truancy, juvenile crime, and drug use, I wonder if there is any self awareness that a culture that condones one kind of lawlessness necessarily condones the other.

And you wonder why so many DC teens living at or below the poverty line seem to run around with a sense of rage and entitlement? Well this is part of it. The UMC people in the district act like the rules simply do not apply to them, so why on earth should someone who is actually struggling in life follow them? You don't think your kid should have to go to their IB school or play by the rules of the lottery? Cool, then I don't have to go to school at all and also give me your money. The rules don't matter, right? Nothing matters. Who cares.

In a functional society we all agree to follow the rules.

I think this is a silly thread but this poster isn't wrong either. Many, many UMC DC residents think they are entitled to do whatever they want because they see themselves as saviors for living in the city at all. They believe their impropriety helps the cities whereas poor people's crimes are a hazard and fail to see any reasons why their own crimes and moral grey choices may impact the other.

OK, so this PP makes good points. And? Addressing boundary fraud isn't a priority for politicians or ed sector leaders in this particular city, same story for decades.
You want some sort of public information campaign to try to guilt UMC DC residents into behaving better?

We know more than one CH family that quietly rents a studio apt. in Upper NW for access to J-R. These are people who lack a viable public-school alternative after their kids had a miserable time at BASIS and didn't get chosen for Walls or Banneker. I'm not going to blame them for failing to utilize struggling McKinley or Eastern or to clear out of the only homes their children have ever known. These folks should have far better options for high school for their tax dollars. My vote is for them to be ignored. There don't seem to be very many of them and, while they're hardly the moral paragons you guys want as neighbors and DC residents, they're not bad people either.

[Anonymous]

I think DC residents committing boundary fraud is pretty rare outside of the Deal/JR boundary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think DC residents committing boundary fraud is pretty rare outside of the Deal/JR boundary.

As someone experiencing football, from a long line of people experiencing high school sports… I think you’d be surprised how far people will go to put their kid at “their” high school with “their” coach. This is just an example I know with some funkiness around Dunbar and Baillou both. If the other schools were good at football and had that tradition, you’d see it there too. It doesn’t necessarily line up with academics.

(The language is a joke, the point is not)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely, we suck. Thank goodness that you've never cheated in any way. God knows, we need a moral paragon like you around here.

This is such a weird attitude. Yes, we should all aspire not to cheat.

Humans are imperfect and weak and we don't always succeed. I believe in being forgiving. And for instance with regards to boundary cheaters, I would absolutely give that person a second chance. After they stopped cheating and followed the rules of enrollment. I get that people are trying to do right for their kids and that the pressure to get their children a good education may induce people to do think that are wrong. I have empathy.

But the attitude "whatever, everyone cheats, who cares" does not comply with my moral compass. No one is perfect but that doesn't mean we should give up on following rules or trying to be fair and just. Lying about your address (or where you live, if you want to get technical, "vacation rental" people) is morally wrong. You should not do it.

What PP isn’t saying is that they think they are actually superior because of the cheating - they are smart and brave enough to get what they deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish all the UMC people who think it's fine to lie and cheat to get what you want for your kid understand that this actually contributes to the feeling of lawlessness and decline in DC overall. Like when we talk about problems associated with poor people in DC, like truancy, juvenile crime, and drug use, I wonder if there is any self awareness that a culture that condones one kind of lawlessness necessarily condones the other.

And you wonder why so many DC teens living at or below the poverty line seem to run around with a sense of rage and entitlement? Well this is part of it. The UMC people in the district act like the rules simply do not apply to them, so why on earth should someone who is actually struggling in life follow them? You don't think your kid should have to go to their IB school or play by the rules of the lottery? Cool, then I don't have to go to school at all and also give me your money. The rules don't matter, right? Nothing matters. Who cares.

In a functional society we all agree to follow the rules.

I think this is a silly thread but this poster isn't wrong either. Many, many UMC DC residents think they are entitled to do whatever they want because they see themselves as saviors for living in the city at all. They believe their impropriety helps the cities whereas poor people's crimes are a hazard and fail to see any reasons why their own crimes and moral grey choices may impact the other.

OK, so this PP makes good points. And? Addressing boundary fraud isn't a priority for politicians or ed sector leaders in this particular city, same story for decades.
You want some sort of public information campaign to try to guilt UMC DC residents into behaving better?

We know more than one CH family that quietly rents a studio apt. in Upper NW for access to J-R. These are people who lack a viable public-school alternative after their kids had a miserable time at BASIS and didn't get chosen for Walls or Banneker. I'm not going to blame them for failing to utilize struggling McKinley or Eastern or to clear out of the only homes their children have ever known. These folks should have far better options for high school for their tax dollars. My vote is for them to be ignored. There don't seem to be very many of them and, while they're hardly the moral paragons you guys want as neighbors and DC residents, they're not bad people either.

I blame them. I am a CH parent who won’t lie and will be moving for HS most likely. Families that have an extra $2000/month to “quietly rent a studio” have the resources to figure out something that does not involve cheating. They prefer to cheat.