Would you support mandatory genetic testing for paternity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What!?!? This is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever read here and that's saying alot. I'm with the PPs who said let's get through the rape kit backlog.

The rape kit backlog could be easier to solve once tested if the government had a huge cache of data from new fathers. Lots of crimes could be - that's the only real benefit from this idea, I don't think there are that many kids of uncertain parentage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the availability of a free test at the hospital if either parent wants it. I think getting the government involved in families is a bad idea.

I suspect the percentage is lower than whatever the manosphere claims. Some men know. Others don’t care.

If the government can regulate a woman’s body, the government should absolutely involve themselves in a man’s paternity.

[Anonymous]

Yea it should be mandatory. Women who commit paternity fraud should be held criminally liable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of no better way to increase the number of abortions. In the real world, many married women who cheat are also having sex with their Hs. When they get pregnant, they may not know which of 2 men--or more--is the father. If the woman and her H are together and he doesn't know about the cheating, she is likely to choose to keep the child.

If, however, she knows she's going to have to have the child take a paternity test as soon as it's born, it's more likely she'll choose to have an abortion rather than blow up her marriage, especially if there are other older kids in the mix. And she may well end up aborting her H's child.

Plus these tests are not foolproof. I know this is a different situation, but there is a case where a woman was accused of welfare fraud because her DNA didn't match that of any of her 3 children. The state where she resided required maternity and paternity tests when welfare payments for kids are sought. Her ex-partner argued that he shouldn't have to pay support because he agreed to have children with her. He argued that she "must have" used donor eggs without discussing it with him. So, he could escape his child support obligations because of her fraud.

Thing was...she was a chimera but didn't know it. Short version: she had 2 different sets of DNA.In her case, the DNA her kidsi nherited was not the one that showed up in blood work. The DNA in her blood was NOT inherited by any of her kids.https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/case-lydia-fairchild-and-her-chimerism-2002

Now...granted this was an unusual case--though not unique. It does show that blind reliance on DNA is unwarranted because a MAN can be a chimera too and thus may hand one set of his DNA down to his kids while the other shows up on a DNA test.

That’s rare and not a good reason not to do it.

Guess what's also rare - men raising children that are not biologically theirs that they've been duped into believing are!!

This is an MRA/misogynist talking point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yea it should be mandatory. Women who commit paternity fraud should be held criminally liable.

Lobby your representatives.

[Anonymous]

Yes, both men and women should be responsible for their actions. I am definitely not in the - but they are women, so they shouldn’t be responsible for cheating, lying, deceiving others…it’s the man’s fault, he made her do it…camp. I am also not in the ‘real man’ camp of a real man mans up and takes on financial responsibility for women and children.

I think all children have a right to knowledge of biological parent and men have a right to know if they have fathered a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What!?!? This is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever read here and that's saying alot. I'm with the PPs who said let's get through the rape kit backlog.

The rape kit backlog could be easier to solve once tested if the government had a huge cache of data from new fathers. Lots of crimes could be - that's the only real benefit from this idea, I don't think there are that many kids of uncertain parentage.

Not to mention:

- the issues are separate and not really related.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of no better way to increase the number of abortions. In the real world, many married women who cheat are also having sex with their Hs. When they get pregnant, they may not know which of 2 men--or more--is the father. If the woman and her H are together and he doesn't know about the cheating, she is likely to choose to keep the child.

If, however, she knows she's going to have to have the child take a paternity test as soon as it's born, it's more likely she'll choose to have an abortion rather than blow up her marriage, especially if there are other older kids in the mix. And she may well end up aborting her H's child.

Plus these tests are not foolproof. I know this is a different situation, but there is a case where a woman was accused of welfare fraud because her DNA didn't match that of any of her 3 children. The state where she resided required maternity and paternity tests when welfare payments for kids are sought. Her ex-partner argued that he shouldn't have to pay support because he agreed to have children with her. He argued that she "must have" used donor eggs without discussing it with him. So, he could escape his child support obligations because of her fraud.

Thing was...she was a chimera but didn't know it. Short version: she had 2 different sets of DNA.In her case, the DNA her kidsi nherited was not the one that showed up in blood work. The DNA in her blood was NOT inherited by any of her kids.https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/case-lydia-fairchild-and-her-chimerism-2002

Now...granted this was an unusual case--though not unique. It does show that blind reliance on DNA is unwarranted because a MAN can be a chimera too and thus may hand one set of his DNA down to his kids while the other shows up on a DNA test.

That’s rare and not a good reason not to do it.

Guess what's also rare - men raising children that are not biologically theirs that they've been duped into believing are!!

This is an MRA/misogynist talking point.

I doubt it’s that rare. Lots of women cheat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would the point of such a policy be? Seriously, what is the premise of this post?!

Currently laws provide limited legal protections for men wrongly identified as fathers as well as for men wrongfully not identified as fathers. They make it shockingly easy for women to commit fraud to either deny parental rights or seek financial gain.

If you are so concerned about this happening to you, go get your own test.

And that is not how any of this works— a woman doesn’t just declare that a certain man is the father. Do you even have kids? You have no idea what you’re talking about, especially how the legal system treats paternity for married and unmarried people.

Seriously— Get offline. This is not a real societal problem.

A woman can put anyone down as dad. Hospitals don’t ask for marriage certificates or proof.

[Anonymous]

People are not going to sign up to willingly provide their DNA to the government.

We can argue about the marital presumption all day long, but that conversation misses the forest for the trees.

[Anonymous]

If you have to get a test to see if you are the parent, then you are making a lot of questionable life choices *snicker*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What!?!? This is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever read here and that's saying alot. I'm with the PPs who said let's get through the rape kit backlog.

The rape kit backlog could be easier to solve once tested if the government had a huge cache of data from new fathers. Lots of crimes could be - that's the only real benefit from this idea, I don't think there are that many kids of uncertain parentage.

I get it but that exactly demonstrates data privacy concerns with the government having everyone's DNA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What!?!? This is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever read here and that's saying alot. I'm with the PPs who said let's get through the rape kit backlog.

The rape kit backlog could be easier to solve once tested if the government had a huge cache of data from new fathers. Lots of crimes could be - that's the only real benefit from this idea, I don't think there are that many kids of uncertain parentage.

I get it but that exactly demonstrates data privacy concerns with the government having everyone's DNA.

It would plainly violate the fourth amendment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What would the point of such a policy be? Seriously, what is the premise of this post?!

Because the OP is clearly and obviously a misogynist incel troll , and wants to enable men to have an escape hatch from their commitment to their wife and a child. That’s what this is about. Letting men off the hook from their responsibility as men.

Probably 10% or more of pregnancies are fathered by men who are not the spouse or significant other. Clearly OP is one of these men, whose wife probably has a child fathered by a real man she was seeing on the side. That jealousy and inadequacy burns bright in the OP. And he wants to make sure other losers like him can get out of their responsibilities as husbands and fathers if they can prove the child isn’t theirs.


The whole OP fairly reeks of small-dick pathetic loser energy.

[Anonymous]

This sounds like a "boiling the frog" scenario. Where does it all lead? Unthinkable? How many things has out government done recently that were "unthinkable" a year ago?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/30/kateconnolly.theobserver