Race on common app

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

If that’s the case, neither should the white legacy and donor kids in the 1300s. There's a whole lot more of THOSE cases.

Legacy preferences aren't good either. Preferences of any sort are bad. But side from athletic and large donor preferences, none of the other preferences are as darkest as racial preferences. Legacy preferences are more like 20-50 points. Affirmative action preferences were hundreds of points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

Why do you find it hard to believe when the organizations that administer these tests and keep the records tell you so? What else do you need?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

Why do you find it hard to believe when the organizations that administer these tests and keep the records tell you so? What else do you need?

If 1400+ was 1% I seriously doubt 1500+ was .5%. Could easily be half that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

Correct.

And there are hundreds from each state scoring 1400+.

High GPA , good ECs, etc. with 1400+ scores will result in admission to top schools.

Because a random white or Asian may have scored higher on one standardized test is irrelevant. That's not how college admissions work. Blacks , who are underrepresented , can go to the top schools too and can do the work.

1300+ can go to top SLACs.

If some don't like this, oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

Correct.

And there are hundreds from each state scoring 1400+.

High GPA , good ECs, etc. with 1400+ scores will result in admission to top schools.

Because a random white or Asian may have scored higher on one standardized test is irrelevant. That's not how college admissions work. Blacks , who are underrepresented , can go to the top schools too and can do the work.

1300+ can go to top SLACs.

If some don't like this, oh well.

Underrepresented based on race, overrepresented based on academic qualifications. Which one of those criteria should you use for college admissions?

[Anonymous]

I cannot understand all this brouhaha about black applicants when they literally represent the smallest fraction of students!

All of this handwringing over, what? - 6%?! 8%?!

Wealthy white children who go Test Optional scoot in elite colleges with zero backlash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand all this brouhaha about black applicants when they literally represent the smallest fraction of students!

All of this handwringing over, what? - 6%?! 8%?!

Wealthy white children who go Test Optional scoot in elite colleges with zero backlash.

And rarely are their qualifications questioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

I doubt there are 20 from each state. They are likely overwhelmingly from the south where most blacks live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

I doubt there are 20 from each state. They are likely overwhelmingly from the south where most blacks live.

Not necessarily. I bet that the children of African national immigrants do well. They tend to live in the NE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

I doubt there are 20 from each state. They are likely overwhelmingly from the south where most blacks live.

Probably more from some states and fewer from others. That’s why it’s an average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

Correct.

And there are hundreds from each state scoring 1400+.

High GPA , good ECs, etc. with 1400+ scores will result in admission to top schools.

Because a random white or Asian may have scored higher on one standardized test is irrelevant. That's not how college admissions work. Blacks , who are underrepresented , can go to the top schools too and can do the work.

1300+ can go to top SLACs.

If some don't like this, oh well.

About 10% of Asians get a 1500+
About 25% of Asians get a 1400+

The SAT is the best single predictor of college performance that we have. It's hardly irrelevant.

Blacks are underrepresented at top colleges because they are underrepresented in the population of people qualified for those to colleges.

Just like Asians are underrepresented in US special forces because they are underrepresented in the population of people qualified for US special forces. Sure you got that one doctor/astronaut/Navy seal but this is just not where they focus their efforts as a culture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

Schools have imperfect information that they are using to try and achieve their racial diversity goals.

Also this from another thread.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegebo...report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.

I can't access the link you shared but find it very hard to believe that there are an average of 20 students from each state that are African American and scored over 1500.

I doubt there are 20 from each state. They are likely overwhelmingly from the south where most blacks live.

Not necessarily. I bet that the children of African national immigrants do well. They tend to live in the NE.

Not that many African national immigrants.
On the other hand, Puerto rican kids in nyc do well.

[Anonymous]

How is any of this race information correct if no one is required to disclose their race?