UPenn Bends to Trump Admin; Revokes Lia Thomas Medals

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Anonymous wrote:Common sense prevails.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

+1 i’m glad about this change but completely agree with this

I'm sympathetic to the swimmers who were impacted by the lack of common sense regarding Thomas. Especially because the swimmers who spoke up about the issue were dismissed as bigots. Even the PP's editorializing that their complains were "moaning" is dismissive and gaslighting.

In the end, the people who opposed categorizing Thomas in the women's group and allowing her to compete directly against women despite a clear physical advantage that no cis woman has, were proven right. But now PP wants to call those clearly valid arguments petty "moaning." Nope. Those swimmers had and continue to have the right to view what happened here as unjust.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

+1

I'm a Dem who has never voted Republican. I also support trans rights and would have argued loudly for Thomas to be allowed to swim in her own category. But especially in a sport like swimming, where height and upper body musculature are *central* to how good you are at the sport, it was always absurd to me that Thomas would be treated as exactly the same as cis women swimmers. Like it just doesn't make sense.

And that's where the vast majority of Americans land. I recently had a conversation with a progressive friend about this and she was shocked by my position on this. I brought up Thomas and her medals/records as the quintessential case of why I oppose allowing trans women to compete with cis women in all sports (I think there are sports where it could be okay and it should be up to individual sports and governing bodies to decide where the line is) and my friend had never even heard of Thomas.

That's the problem. The people who are far left in this issue have their heads in the sand. It is OBVIOUS to anyone who has actually considered the issue with all the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

+1000

And for the record, I voted for Harris, Biden, and Hillary, hate Trump, and hate MAGA. But what Trump did on this issue is seize on something the Dems were completely effing up for misguided reasons and use it as a wedge to capture low information and centrist voters.

If Dems had just approached this issue with more pragmatism from the start, instead of becoming beholden to a small group of fringe activists, maybe Trump wouldn't be president now. So where some people blame the individual voters who were swayed by Trump's messaging in the issue of trans rights, I blame Democrats and the Biden administration for being so wrongheaded on an issue that like 95% of the country agrees on.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

+1 i’m glad about this change but completely agree with this

I'm sympathetic to the swimmers who were impacted by the lack of common sense regarding Thomas. Especially because the swimmers who spoke up about the issue were dismissed as bigots. Even the PP's editorializing that their complains were "moaning" is dismissive and gaslighting.

In the end, the people who opposed categorizing Thomas in the women's group and allowing her to compete directly against women despite a clear physical advantage that no cis woman has, were proven right. But now PP wants to call those clearly valid arguments petty "moaning." Nope. Those swimmers had and continue to have the right to view what happened here as unjust.

What happened may have been unfair but what I want people to see is that it impacted a tiny number of people and it has been addressed. We have big problems. This is not a big problem. If you aren’t one of the swimmers impacted, do you need to spend time worried that they will never be made whole for missing a podium moment? Do you spend any time worrying about people missing podium moments because of other swimmers doping or anything else? If not, why do you care about this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

+1 i’m glad about this change but completely agree with this

I'm sympathetic to the swimmers who were impacted by the lack of common sense regarding Thomas. Especially because the swimmers who spoke up about the issue were dismissed as bigots. Even the PP's editorializing that their complains were "moaning" is dismissive and gaslighting.

In the end, the people who opposed categorizing Thomas in the women's group and allowing her to compete directly against women despite a clear physical advantage that no cis woman has, were proven right. But now PP wants to call those clearly valid arguments petty "moaning." Nope. Those swimmers had and continue to have the right to view what happened here as unjust.

+1

The PP and the others in this thread attacking Riley Gaines and the other swimmers who stood up for themselves are engaging in typical misogynist minimization of women who speak up for themselves. It’s classic in its form: attack looks, describe the fight to push back against sexism and misogyny as “moaning” or “whining,” imply ulterior motives, etc.

If you removed the context, and lined the quotes up, the sexist language is identical to the language used by far right activists to attack women who are pro-choice. And that is because the underlying driver in both cases is roiling misogyny. One of the saddest aspects of the rise in gender ideology is that it has laid bare the fact that there is very little difference on both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to how much they hate women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

+1 i’m glad about this change but completely agree with this

I'm sympathetic to the swimmers who were impacted by the lack of common sense regarding Thomas. Especially because the swimmers who spoke up about the issue were dismissed as bigots. Even the PP's editorializing that their complains were "moaning" is dismissive and gaslighting.

In the end, the people who opposed categorizing Thomas in the women's group and allowing her to compete directly against women despite a clear physical advantage that no cis woman has, were proven right. But now PP wants to call those clearly valid arguments petty "moaning." Nope. Those swimmers had and continue to have the right to view what happened here as unjust.

What happened may have been unfair but what I want people to see is that it impacted a tiny number of people and it has been addressed. We have big problems. This is not a big problem. If you aren’t one of the swimmers impacted, do you need to spend time worried that they will never be made whole for missing a podium moment? Do you spend any time worrying about people missing podium moments because of other swimmers doping or anything else? If not, why do you care about this?

You sound a lot like the early white feminists that used to tell black feminists to shut up about their issues because the white feminists didn’t consider the issues of black women as important as the issues the white women wanted to focus on.

This isn’t an issue of just a few athletes, no matter how much you want to insist it is, because that is expedient for your own political goals. Ordering people to shut up because you don’t like the fact it’s leading to a well-overdue discussion on the harms of gender ideology is not going to work as a strategy. You cannot demand people prioritize what you think is important, just because you believe it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

+1 i’m glad about this change but completely agree with this

It’s true that not every parent has emotional intelligence or empathy.

Ultimately it was the years of “moaning” that helped get this important change.

Yes, a very important change for the dozens of people impacted.

And it affects even fewer transgender athletes. Can you imagine upsetting all the competition rules for 50% of the population for just a few athletes who want to change their sex?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't necessarily disagree with Trump on this but one would think the president had bigger things to worry about than Ivy League swimming. Like all of those people who aren't going to have health care coverage. The cost of groceries that seemed to be such a problem during the election and hasn't gone down. The fact that he continues to call adults by childish nicknames.

This is all performative garbage for the ignorant masses while he continues to profit off this country.

10000% this. The amount of time people have spent wringing their hands about the tiny number of athletes involved is bananas.

Yes. Just another example of the Trump administration not doing anything that makes lots of people's lives better. Just looking for ideological splitters to keep people voting for them.

You don’t seem to understand. This IS what many of us voted for.

If THIS is what you voted for, you should have your franchise taken away.

Says who? You?

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Good!

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Anonymous wrote:Thomas had no business being allowed to swim on the women's team. I'm all for her swimming on the men's team as a woman.

I did notice Trump is making the university write letters of apologies to the women on the swimming team.

The required letter of apology is a nice touch!

I hope they apologize for forcing the women to change in front of him. Someone should be charged for that.

I feel like the fair competition based reservations in this case are reasonable but how is changing in front of this person any different than changing in front of an always been female lesbian? (Assuming lia is attracted to women and that’s the concern?)

Are you a male or female? This logic is wild. As someone who feels uncomfortable with a male ob/gyn, no question I'd prefer a lesbian over a gay male doctor. Why not just say women and men should change in the same locker room because LGBTQ people exist anyway? Odd.

Completely agree. It's a physical power thing. How is this not clear?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

It’s a far bigger issue than many of you realize. I voted for Trump largely on this issue and am anything but a moron. You, on the other hand, are content to live with your head in the sand. Lalalalla. Nothing to see here, just move along.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.