Given WW3, should we cancel Europe travel plans

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know about WW3, but France/ Spain/ Portugal/ Italy are over. Just swarming with instagram tourists. It's miserable. I'll never return.

I think this phenomenon will run it's course. Probably sooner rather than later.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know about WW3, but France/ Spain/ Portugal/ Italy are over. Just swarming with instagram tourists. It's miserable. I'll never return.

I think this phenomenon will run it's course. Probably sooner rather than later.

UGH. We will be in Paris for a few days starting next week and not looking forward to it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what are you talking about specifically? Airbnbs? Israel/Iran? Russia/Ukraine?

The US is going to war with Iran because Israel is too weak to fight Iran. This puts a target on all Americans.

THIS. Im the OP.

This makes me so angry. Israel should not start fights it cannot win and then drag us into them.

Hon, stay home and let some brave tourist from another country get that gorgeous Birkin in Paris. Europe will be fine without you!

I always stop reading after “hon” and “sweetie” - I have no desire to listen to posters that are both unserious and lame at the same time.

+1000

The "sweetie/hon" poster always sounds ridiculous no matter what.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what are you talking about specifically? Airbnbs? Israel/Iran? Russia/Ukraine?

The US is going to war with Iran because Israel is too weak to fight Iran. This puts a target on all Americans.

THIS. Im the OP.

You are oblivious. Israel is kicking Iran's you-know-what, and shows every sign of continuing to do so until the Iranian regime collapses. And if U.S. support to Israel makes Americans targets, that ship has sailed. It's hardly news that U.S. intelligence, resupply, and deterrent capabilities have been in play from the outset; more direct intervention by US air or naval forces will just be more obvious and will hasten the Iranian regime's demise. The global threat to U.S. persons isn't going to change. If anything, Iran's capacity to direct terror attacks against U.S. people and interests will just collapse even faster than is already happening due to their losses from Israeli direct action against the IRGC and intelligence organs.

But, do feel free to shelter in place in your back yard bunker, for fear that the long arm of Iranian vengeance is going to reach out for you. The rest of us see Iran as the Black Knight, armless and legless, but for now claiming "tis but a scratch!".

For the Palestinian Philistine, here's the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

Look up the 1980s. Achille Lauro. Lockerbie. Etc. All driven by chaos in the Middle East and North Africa.

Former diplomat poster above. That's exactly what went through my mind. Rome airport too - I knew a flight attendant who was there. It wouldn't stop me from traveling on OP's plan, but terrorism increases in these situations, yes.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know about WW3, but France/ Spain/ Portugal/ Italy are over. Just swarming with instagram tourists. It's miserable. I'll never return.

I think this phenomenon will run it's course. Probably sooner rather than later.

UGH. We will be in Paris for a few days starting next week and not looking forward to it.

Spend majority of your time in quieter spots (so many beautiful parks and places not right in the center), and be strategic about how and when you go to the big touristy spots- get in and out quickly, go later in the day, etc.

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It's safer there than here.

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What’s fun is that our effective counter-terrorism measures have been decimated by the dismantling of USAID. Our abominable foreign policy will absolutely increase terrorism.

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No plans to
Cancel.

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Happening in Paris too. Also the pickpockets in Europe are out of control. Our friends were pickpocketed last week and their friend’s had their hotel room broken into and computer stolen.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know about WW3, but France/ Spain/ Portugal/ Italy are over. Just swarming with instagram tourists. It's miserable. I'll never return.

I think this phenomenon will run it's course. Probably sooner rather than later.

UGH. We will be in Paris for a few days starting next week and not looking forward to it.

Why don't you change your hotel reservations and get out of town?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s fun is that our effective counter-terrorism measures have been decimated by the dismantling of USAID. Our abominable foreign policy will absolutely increase terrorism.

So you’re saying USAID was CIA?

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Anonymous wrote:Happening in Paris too. Also the pickpockets in Europe are out of control. Our friends were pickpocketed last week and their friend’s had their hotel room broken into and computer stolen.

What’s happening in Paris?

What kind of hotel were they staying in?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s fun is that our effective counter-terrorism measures have been decimated by the dismantling of USAID. Our abominable foreign policy will absolutely increase terrorism.

USAID has been utterly ineffective in addressing global terror, if that was even part of its remit. Instead, it was simply a mechanism for transferring U.S. wealth and supplies to foreign countries, for better or for worse. Counterterror benefits, if any, would have been extremely abstract, unquantifiable, and frankly improbable.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what are you talking about specifically? Airbnbs? Israel/Iran? Russia/Ukraine?

The US is going to war with Iran because Israel is too weak to fight Iran. This puts a target on all Americans.

Trump is too weak to stand up to Israel, who are hellbent on destroying the entire Middle East. Amazing how easily we have forgotten the disasters that were US wars on Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the U.S. attacks Iran there won't be any "WW3"; nobody is coming to rescue the Iranians; the theocracy will collapse and that will be that. There is no reason whatsoever to expect European involvement in any conflict involving Iran. Iran has no reason to attack any European countries, and lacks the capacity to actually do so beyond random terror which has always been a risk with them.

But, if you'd feel more comfortable, by all means stay home and conduct civil defense drills to make sure your fallout shelter is ready.

DP

The OP isn’t being ridiculous to be concerned.

The reality is terror threat levels will be raised across Europe. It will be acts of terrorism, not WWIII.

Having said that, drones are freely available, so I might avoid stadiums and some tourist areas. I’d also avoid public transit.

What kinds of tourist areas would you avoid? To add to this, we are American and Jewish (with a noticeable Jewish last name). Headed to France (including smaller/remote parts).

Thank you all.

My in-laws are Jewish with a Jewish last name. They are world travelers. They don’t wear Jewish jewelry when traveling and they sometimes book reservations under a first and middle name if they aren’t using tour guides that have been recommended.

Most people around the world can't recognize a Jewish name because most people around the world do not know any Jewish people. You do realize that it's a miniscule percentage of the world's population?