TJ Class of 2025

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Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

I am a big critic of the new TJ admissions process but there is really no comparison between TJ and any other VA high school.

Yes, at TJ you're competing againt the county's top 1.5% whereas the other schools it's just the bottom 98.5%.

You sound like an idiot. Truly. It’s the same as thinking your TJ kid would be top 10 at his base school.

I know how dare they bring objective metrics into this disucussion. Sour grapes should be the only factor!

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Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

Class 2023 destinations from TJToday:

UVA - 44
VT - 23
W&M - 24
GMU - 5

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 6
Chapel Hill - 7
Carnegie Mellon - 9
Penn - 5
Cornell - 7
MIT - 3
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 14
Purdue - 17
Michigan - 10
Stanford - 1

It likely correlates to standardized test scores.

All of the matriculations aren’t listed so you can’t make any conclusions from that.

You don't need all of them. You just need a reasonable representative sample size.

We don’t know that the list from this year (or prior years) was reasonably representative. The list is incomplete.

There is also a lot of variation from year to year and many recent changes on the college admissions front. e.g., Class of 2023 had more options for test optional than the Class of 2024.

It’d be more meaningful to look at the full data set over a period of time.

its the same sample size as just about every other year.

You are trying to find solace in the possibility that this year's sample is wildly less representative than the previous years.
Listen, none of these are bad schools and we are talking about extremely selective colleges. But the shifts in matriculation away from UVA, VY and W&M and towards JMU and GMU indicates that the academic achievement of the 2025 class is different than previous years.

You assume that it's the same sample size.

I'm just saying that you can't draw too much from limited information. I get that some people are fine with "alternate facts" but I prefer to not jump to conclusions.

GMU has never been higher than 4th in in-state matriculations (always behind UVA, W&M, and VT), but it was first this year. That point seems significant.

We don’t really know that. The data is insufficient.

Given the shift in family incomes, it seems feasible that matriculations will be more driven by finances going forward.

This is possible, but what is more likely is that the college results were significantly worse this year

Looking at the available infomration it seems like the best college results from TJ in decades.

This is clearly not true. It's not as bad as many feared but the shift from UVA to GMU is significant and consequential. The overall drop in Ivy+ admissions is also notable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

I am a big critic of the new TJ admissions process but there is really no comparison between TJ and any other VA high school.

Yes, at TJ you're competing againt the county's top 1.5% whereas the other schools it's just the bottom 98.5%.

You sound like an idiot. Truly. It’s the same as thinking your TJ kid would be top 10 at his base school.

I know how dare they bring objective metrics into this disucussion. Sour grapes should be the only factor! :D

DP

The 1.5% quota is not "objective metrics". It's a school based quota.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

Going from the Instagram pages, Langley and McLean each had at least 3 kids going to Stanford, McLean had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Harvard, and Langley had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Penn and Princeton.

Legacy, urm, fgli, athlete, and other hooks. This is how they are all getting in, TJ and base. The schools are not doing anything special.

But they are.

I know the kids that went to MIT last year and they were not legacy.
I know about half the kids that went to IVY+ and maybe 2 or 3 were legacy at the school they ended up going to.
There are smart kids at TJ.

MIT doesn't consider legacy status.
TJ Class of 2025 had very good Ivy+/T20 results. Sure, a bunch did have cross admits. Most are Asian (all Asian MIT admits). A fair number are white and a few URM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:yes as a parent of class 2026, i am concerned seeing the number of students going to UVA and VT. How accurate is the list?

This is what was published in TJ Today. The rest of the list (apologies for any duplicates from originally posted list):

Cal Tech - 1
Harvey Mudd- 1
Berkley- 2
UC Davis - 1
UCLA- 4
UCSD- 2
UCSC- 1
USC - 1
Arizona State - 1
Creighton - 1
Emory - 1
Georgia Tech - 2
Case Western - 1
UW - 1
UC Boulder - 2
Indiana - 4
Bowdoin - 1
Texas Tech - 2
Rice - 2
UT Austin - 1
BYU - 1
Wash U - 3
Illinois - 7
Univ of Delaware - 1
Naval Academy - 2
Maryland - 16
Alabama - 1
Amherst - 1
Babson - 1
Northeastern - 3
Tufts - 1
Williams - 1
Vandy - 1
Pace - 1
Renssealear - 1
Barnard - 1
Stony Brook - 2
Clemson - 1
Lehigh - 1
Penn State - 9
Pitt - 3
UNC Raleigh - 1
Rutgers - 1
Florida A & T - 1
FIT - 1
FSU - 1
UCF - 1
Florida - 2
South Florida - 3
American - 2
GW - 3
Western Gov University (online) - 1
Univ of Toronto - 1
Curtin University (AUS) - 1
Katholieke Universiteit Leuvec - 1
U of Edinburgh - 1
Northeastern U London - 1
Oxford - 1
Marymount - 1
Liberty 1
VCU - 5
Mary Washington - 1


Total reporting: 269

Would be nice to see the entire list. Even the TJ Today had same kids reporting under 2 colleges/universities (I saw at least couple of them - could be kids with same names), so 269 would be a bit less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

Going from the Instagram pages, Langley and McLean each had at least 3 kids going to Stanford, McLean had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Harvard, and Langley had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Penn and Princeton.

Really?

No, it's just sour grapes fake news.

No, it's not.

https://www.instagram.com/langleydecisions25/

https://www.instagram.com/mcleancommitments/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

Going from the Instagram pages, Langley and McLean each had at least 3 kids going to Stanford, McLean had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Harvard, and Langley had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Penn and Princeton.

Legacy, urm, fgli, athlete, and other hooks. This is how they are all getting in, TJ and base. The schools are not doing anything special.

But they are.

I know the kids that went to MIT last year and they were not legacy.
I know about half the kids that went to IVY+ and maybe 2 or 3 were legacy at the school they ended up going to.
There are smart kids at TJ.

MIT doesn't consider legacy status.
TJ Class of 2025 had very good Ivy+/T20 results. Sure, a bunch did have cross admits. Most are Asian (all Asian MIT admits). A fair number are white and a few URM.

I am responding to the previous poster that said the TJ kids are getting into ivy+ because they are legacy URM, FGLI or athletes.

I responded specifically with MIT because they do not consider legacy. These kids are getting in because they are smart and hard working.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

Going from the Instagram pages, Langley and McLean each had at least 3 kids going to Stanford, McLean had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Harvard, and Langley had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Penn and Princeton.

Legacy, urm, fgli, athlete, and other hooks. This is how they are all getting in, TJ and base. The schools are not doing anything special.

But they are.

I know the kids that went to MIT last year and they were not legacy.
I know about half the kids that went to IVY+ and maybe 2 or 3 were legacy at the school they ended up going to.
There are smart kids at TJ.

MIT doesn't consider legacy status.
TJ Class of 2025 had very good Ivy+/T20 results. Sure, a bunch did have cross admits. Most are Asian (all Asian MIT admits). A fair number are white and a few URM.

I am responding to the previous poster that said the TJ kids are getting into ivy+ because they are legacy URM, FGLI or athletes.

I responded specifically with MIT because they do not consider legacy. These kids are getting in because they are smart and hard working.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

Going from the Instagram pages, Langley and McLean each had at least 3 kids going to Stanford, McLean had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Harvard, and Langley had one or more kids going to MIT and all the Ivies except Penn and Princeton.

Legacy, urm, fgli, athlete, and other hooks. This is how they are all getting in, TJ and base. The schools are not doing anything special.

But they are.

I know the kids that went to MIT last year and they were not legacy.
I know about half the kids that went to IVY+ and maybe 2 or 3 were legacy at the school they ended up going to.
There are smart kids at TJ.

MIT doesn't consider legacy status.
TJ Class of 2025 had very good Ivy+/T20 results. Sure, a bunch did have cross admits. Most are Asian (all Asian MIT admits). A fair number are white and a few URM.

I am responding to the previous poster that said the TJ kids are getting into ivy+ because they are legacy URM, FGLI or athletes.

I responded specifically with MIT because they do not consider legacy. These kids are getting in because they are smart and hard working.

Athletes? Is there something i don't know about TJ?

Does their holistic admissions allow them toi select for athleticism?

[Anonymous]

What we know at this stage is where about 55% of the Class of 2025 reported that they matriculated. We have no idea about:

1) where the other 230-odd graduates ended up matriculating;
2) what schools they and the 269 reporters were admitted to even if they could not attend for whatever reason (almost certainly financial).

Based on the annual signing ceremony, it appears that the number of seniors going on to play college athletics did not change meaningfully, and there isn't any evidence to suggest that TJ's been doing especially better in athletics since the changes to the admissions process.

The bottom line is that TJ is still very much TJ, and the sense is that the 2025s were probably the least prepared class of all of the ones that we've seen since the changes because:

a) they were deeply impacted by COVID in their late middle school years;
b) the school had not yet figured out how to adjust for their varied backgrounds and lack of community knowledge of how to navigate TJ;
c) they had a greater advantage in the admissions process re: numerical bonuses for coming from underrepresented schools - a bonus which has since been eliminated.

You'll continue to see improvements as the classes continue to balance out over the next few years, is my guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we know at this stage is where about 55% of the Class of 2025 reported that they matriculated. We have no idea about:

1) where the other 230-odd graduates ended up matriculating;
2) what schools they and the 269 reporters were admitted to even if they could not attend for whatever reason (almost certainly financial).

Based on the annual signing ceremony, it appears that the number of seniors going on to play college athletics did not change meaningfully, and there isn't any evidence to suggest that TJ's been doing especially better in athletics since the changes to the admissions process.

The bottom line is that TJ is still very much TJ, and the sense is that the 2025s were probably the least prepared class of all of the ones that we've seen since the changes because:

a) they were deeply impacted by COVID in their late middle school years;
b) the school had not yet figured out how to adjust for their varied backgrounds and lack of community knowledge of how to navigate TJ;
c) they had a greater advantage in the admissions process re: numerical bonuses for coming from underrepresented schools - a bonus which has since been eliminated.

You'll continue to see improvements as the classes continue to balance out over the next few years, is my guess.

2025 had 25% FARMs. The follow on years had much less FARMs, like 10%. Scores and outcomes will improve accordingly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What we know at this stage is where about 55% of the Class of 2025 reported that they matriculated. We have no idea about:

1) where the other 230-odd graduates ended up matriculating;
2) what schools they and the 269 reporters were admitted to even if they could not attend for whatever reason (almost certainly financial).

Based on the annual signing ceremony, it appears that the number of seniors going on to play college athletics did not change meaningfully, and there isn't any evidence to suggest that TJ's been doing especially better in athletics since the changes to the admissions process.

The bottom line is that TJ is still very much TJ, and the sense is that the 2025s were probably the least prepared class of all of the ones that we've seen since the changes because:

a) they were deeply impacted by COVID in their late middle school years;
b) the school had not yet figured out how to adjust for their varied backgrounds and lack of community knowledge of how to navigate TJ;
c) they had a greater advantage in the admissions process re: numerical bonuses for coming from underrepresented schools - a bonus which has since been eliminated.

You'll continue to see improvements as the classes continue to balance out over the next few years, is my guess.

2025 had 25% FARMs. The follow on years had much less FARMs, like 10%. Scores and outcomes will improve accordingly.

They reduced the weighting of the"experience factors" but they still need as merit filter. They should go back to testing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

I am a big critic of the new TJ admissions process but there is really no comparison between TJ and any other VA high school.

Yes, at TJ you're competing againt the county's top 1.5% whereas the other schools it's just the bottom 98.5%.

You sound like an idiot. Truly. It’s the same as thinking your TJ kid would be top 10 at his base school.

I know how dare they bring objective metrics into this disucussion. Sour grapes should be the only factor! :D

DP

The 1.5% quota is not "objective metrics". It's a school based quota.

Yes, just because they only select the top 1.5% of students doesn't mean they're the 1.5%! :D

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What we know at this stage is where about 55% of the Class of 2025 reported that they matriculated. We have no idea about:

1) where the other 230-odd graduates ended up matriculating;
2) what schools they and the 269 reporters were admitted to even if they could not attend for whatever reason (almost certainly financial).

Based on the annual signing ceremony, it appears that the number of seniors going on to play college athletics did not change meaningfully, and there isn't any evidence to suggest that TJ's been doing especially better in athletics since the changes to the admissions process.

The bottom line is that TJ is still very much TJ, and the sense is that the 2025s were probably the least prepared class of all of the ones that we've seen since the changes because:

a) they were deeply impacted by COVID in their late middle school years;
b) the school had not yet figured out how to adjust for their varied backgrounds and lack of community knowledge of how to navigate TJ;
c) they had a greater advantage in the admissions process re: numerical bonuses for coming from underrepresented schools - a bonus which has since been eliminated.

You'll continue to see improvements as the classes continue to balance out over the next few years, is my guess.

2025 had 25% FARMs. The follow on years had much less FARMs, like 10%. Scores and outcomes will improve accordingly.

Many families whose children are admitted to elite schools do not attend because of the cost. This is especially true for less affluent families. Previously, TJ admissions was heavily favoring affluencet families that could afford ivyies. This is less true today. Many who could get into places like HYP end up at UVA because of financial constraints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not impressive and definitely a change from previous years. A sampling from the print Senior edition of TJ Today:

UVA - 20
VT - 13
W&M - 14
GMU - 21

Georgetown - 8
Princeton - 4
Duke - 2
Chapel Hill - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 4
Penn - 4
Cornell - 5
MIT - 2
Harvard - 5
Chicago - 9
Purdue - 19
Michigan - 5
Stanford - 1

How does TJ 2025 college admission compare with other high schools, like Langley, McLean and Woodson? It was said both Langley and Woodson have graduates going to MIT. What about other top universities?

I am a big critic of the new TJ admissions process but there is really no comparison between TJ and any other VA high school.

Yes, at TJ you're competing againt the county's top 1.5% whereas the other schools it's just the bottom 98.5%.

You sound like an idiot. Truly. It’s the same as thinking your TJ kid would be top 10 at his base school.

I know how dare they bring objective metrics into this disucussion. Sour grapes should be the only factor! :D

DP

The 1.5% quota is not "objective metrics". It's a school based quota.

Yes, just because they only select the top 1.5% of students doesn't mean they're the 1.5%! :D

DP. Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking.