Should admissions be more transparent?

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Anonymous wrote:We tell applicants every year why they get rejected. There’s a lot of other applicants, the applicant pool was strong, and your application wasn’t at the top. Learning to take no for an answer is an important skill.

That doesn’t help current juniors choose which schools to put on their college list. The “advice” seems to be, “apply to as many schools as humanly possible, because you have no right to get into any, no matter how well you did in high school! And there’s no way to predict in advance which might accept you!”

The advice is to apply to 2 or so safety schools, mostly apply to schools your stats align with, and have a couple reach schools. Any "pressure" to get into a top college is self inflicted.

“Any pressure to get into a top college is self inflicted” they say, in the same breath that they tell high-stats kids they should “mostly apply to colleges their stats align with.” This idea that high stats kids should go top colleges, where could it possibly be coming from?

Anybody advising solely based on stats is an idiot. Stats means nothing in holistic review. High stat kids with average activities and essays are boring, deal with it.

Exactly. I think there is one poster (OP) keeping this thread alive. They gave regrets. Probably thought the stars were enough, didn’t educate themselves.

Advice-the competition doesn’t end at admissions. It moves on to clubs, internships, jobs. Start focusing your kid in that. Many freshman need help securing the first internship. Your guidance your kid is better channeled there than in this thread.

For junior parents: use all the resources that are out there to get smart. And it’s a crap shoot even after that….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice if the folks saying “there are lots and lots of schools out there that will accept those [4.0] students” if they would “just widen their gaze,” and the folks saying “no one has the ‘right’ to be accepted into any school, regardless of stats,” could get together and decide which it is.

It’s both. No one has the right to be accepted by School H. If those students also apply to School A, School A will accept them, and they can attend School A, and enjoy a great college experience.m

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Anonymous wrote:We tell applicants every year why they get rejected. There’s a lot of other applicants, the applicant pool was strong, and your application wasn’t at the top. Learning to take no for an answer is an important skill.

That doesn’t help current juniors choose which schools to put on their college list. The “advice” seems to be, “apply to as many schools as humanly possible, because you have no right to get into any, no matter how well you did in high school! And there’s no way to predict in advance which might accept you!”

The advice is to apply to 2 or so safety schools, mostly apply to schools your stats align with, and have a couple reach schools. Any "pressure" to get into a top college is self inflicted.

“Any pressure to get into a top college is self inflicted” they say, in the same breath that they tell high-stats kids they should “mostly apply to colleges their stats align with.” This idea that high stats kids should go top colleges, where could it possibly be coming from?

Anybody advising solely based on stats is an idiot. Stats means nothing in holistic review. High stat kids with average activities and essays are boring, deal with it.

We don't even know who really wrote the essays LOL
Now we have ChatGPT, too.

Who is we? AO’s know and are smarter than you. LOL

AO's are low paid mediocre workforce dumber than the applicants LOL

[Anonymous]

I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools should be more transparent about admissions because they are facing a crisis of confidence. They might have to change their admissions process to make transparency more viable, but the current path has them bleeding good will and credibility.

Actually, that might mean that instead of getting tens of thousands of applications, they just get thousands — from students who genuinely want to be there. That could be a win. I’m not sure who it serves well to have huge numbers of people vying for schools that some entities have deemed the “top five” or whatever, instead of looking at what schools are genuinely good fits for the students applying to them. While it’s great to see students have a variety of options, it’s troubling to see so many people clamoring to get “the best” without really seeming to think through the impacts of 4 very particular years on the lives of teenagers. Would a student who would really love, say, Dartmouth, also be a good fit for Columbia? Yet people often choose based on ratings rather than on “fit”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

On what legal or regulatory grounds is this "right to see any information" derived?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

On what legal or regulatory grounds is this "right to see any information" derived?

Don't you see the news?
Tax funding should stop for schools not complying.

[Anonymous]

Get a life. Who cares.

Your kid didn’t get in. Move on.

[Anonymous]

I think to create this model, there should be heavy restrictions on who can apply. The biggest issue with the American system is anyone no matter credentials can apply anywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

On what legal or regulatory grounds is this "right to see any information" derived?

Don't you see the news?
Tax funding should stop for schools not complying.

If you're referring to affirmative action litigation, only those with standing to sue and are actually party to the cases have access to a controlled production of certain school records via discovery in accordance with the rules of civil procedure and the courts. On what legal or regulatory grounds does Larlo's mom, not a party to the lawsuit, have the legal or regulatory "right to see any information" merely from having paid an application fee?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

On what legal or regulatory grounds is this "right to see any information" derived?

Don't you see the news?
Tax funding should stop for schools not complying.

Comply to what exactly? You're insinuating that holistic admissions is illegal? Or that a school denying your supposedly "high stats" kid is illegal?

But fine. I think colleges should raise the admissions fee considerably to satisfy the OP. If you are going to demand other people take the time and energy to devote extra resources to this, then be prepared to pay for it.

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Anonymous wrote:We tell applicants every year why they get rejected. There’s a lot of other applicants, the applicant pool was strong, and your application wasn’t at the top. Learning to take no for an answer is an important skill.

That doesn’t help current juniors choose which schools to put on their college list. The “advice” seems to be, “apply to as many schools as humanly possible, because you have no right to get into any, no matter how well you did in high school! And there’s no way to predict in advance which might accept you!”

The advice is to apply to 2 or so safety schools, mostly apply to schools your stats align with, and have a couple reach schools. Any "pressure" to get into a top college is self inflicted.

“Any pressure to get into a top college is self inflicted” they say, in the same breath that they tell high-stats kids they should “mostly apply to colleges their stats align with.” This idea that high stats kids should go top colleges, where could it possibly be coming from?

Anybody advising solely based on stats is an idiot. Stats means nothing in holistic review. High stat kids with average activities and essays are boring, deal with it.

We don't even know who really wrote the essays LOL
Now we have ChatGPT, too.

Who is we? AO’s know and are smarter than you. LOL

AO's are low paid mediocre workforce dumber than the applicants LOL

^^ This right here shows the kind of disrespectful upbringing which explains why this angry poster's kid didn't get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should have a right to see the file. They turned over a lot of personal information and paid a fee. They have a right to see any information the school has on them or wrote about them.

On what legal or regulatory grounds is this "right to see any information" derived?

Don't you see the news?
Tax funding should stop for schools not complying.

If you're referring to affirmative action litigation, only those with standing to sue and are actually party to the cases have access to a controlled production of certain school records via discovery in accordance with the rules of civil procedure and the courts. On what legal or regulatory grounds does Larlo's mom, not a party to the lawsuit, have the legal or regulatory "right to see any information" merely from having paid an application fee?

No. Government withdrew funding and schools went crybabies.

Funding can go to schools complying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We tell applicants every year why they get rejected. There’s a lot of other applicants, the applicant pool was strong, and your application wasn’t at the top. Learning to take no for an answer is an important skill.

That doesn’t help current juniors choose which schools to put on their college list. The “advice” seems to be, “apply to as many schools as humanly possible, because you have no right to get into any, no matter how well you did in high school! And there’s no way to predict in advance which might accept you!”

The advice is to apply to 2 or so safety schools, mostly apply to schools your stats align with, and have a couple reach schools. Any "pressure" to get into a top college is self inflicted.

“Any pressure to get into a top college is self inflicted” they say, in the same breath that they tell high-stats kids they should “mostly apply to colleges their stats align with.” This idea that high stats kids should go top colleges, where could it possibly be coming from?

Anybody advising solely based on stats is an idiot. Stats means nothing in holistic review. High stat kids with average activities and essays are boring, deal with it.

We don't even know who really wrote the essays LOL
Now we have ChatGPT, too.

Who is we? AO’s know and are smarter than you. LOL

AO's are low paid mediocre workforce dumber than the applicants LOL

^^ This right here shows the kind of disrespectful upbringing which explains why this angry poster's kid didn't get in.

Agree. A lot of people don't understand that the AO is curating a class. It's actually not about your kid. It's whether or not they need more "prototypes" like your kid inside the larger class. chances are they don't, especially if CS, math, Eng, with no other special talent.....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We tell applicants every year why they get rejected. There’s a lot of other applicants, the applicant pool was strong, and your application wasn’t at the top. Learning to take no for an answer is an important skill.

That doesn’t help current juniors choose which schools to put on their college list. The “advice” seems to be, “apply to as many schools as humanly possible, because you have no right to get into any, no matter how well you did in high school! And there’s no way to predict in advance which might accept you!”

The advice is to apply to 2 or so safety schools, mostly apply to schools your stats align with, and have a couple reach schools. Any "pressure" to get into a top college is self inflicted.

“Any pressure to get into a top college is self inflicted” they say, in the same breath that they tell high-stats kids they should “mostly apply to colleges their stats align with.” This idea that high stats kids should go top colleges, where could it possibly be coming from?

Anybody advising solely based on stats is an idiot. Stats means nothing in holistic review. High stat kids with average activities and essays are boring, deal with it.

We don't even know who really wrote the essays LOL
Now we have ChatGPT, too.

Who is we? AO’s know and are smarter than you. LOL

AO's are low paid mediocre workforce dumber than the applicants LOL

^^ This right here shows the kind of disrespectful upbringing which explains why this angry poster's kid didn't get in.

No need to deny the facts.