This is going badly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R

In their daily life most do understand dictatorship. They work for the bad boss who acts capriciously, or they want to be the boss who can control their little fiefdom with impunity. They've all had to kiss some clown's ass to get what they want, they understand that world, they don't see any of these leaders as unusual. Yeah, being sent to a gulag is new, maybe some will notice the distinction, but many, many people already live under the thumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

lololol

When you read this stuff you realize how bad it’s really going to be.

[Anonymous]

I’m not with Democrats on everything OP, but I knew the alternative was going to be much worse. Why? Bc it was all laid out in Project 2025 and because he has control of all 3 branches of government. I have a hard time being sympathetic right now bc I feel like my kids’ futures are going to be a mess bc of Trump voters and people like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not with Democrats on everything OP, but I knew the alternative was going to be much worse. Why? Bc it was all laid out in Project 2025 and because he has control of all 3 branches of government. I have a hard time being sympathetic right now bc I feel like my kids’ futures are going to be a mess bc of Trump voters and people like you.

Facts

Many people (MAGA) just truly don’t understand how anything works.

Not their fault because they are the cash cow for an entire industrial media complex that feeds them a never ending firehose of bullshit.

Now a few of them are saying wait this ain’t gonna work.

Oh well, too late now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R


In their daily life most do understand dictatorship. They work for the bad boss who acts capriciously, or they want to be the boss who can control their little fiefdom with impunity. They've all had to kiss some clown's ass to get what they want, they understand that world, they don't see any of these leaders as unusual. Yeah, being sent to a gulag is new, maybe some will notice the distinction, but many, many people already live under the thumb.

Yeah, well there's kind of a big difference between a job you can quit and a country you can't quit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

I definitely got the sense from the last election that most Americans would be fine if the price of things increased 2-3x. 5-10x is bonus!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

So there is truth that tariffs could bring more production back to the US. But is the pain with Trump's approach needed?

Imagine a world where instead of slapping on tariffs all at once (calculated by arbitrarily picking two numbers and dividing by 2), the President was thoughtful and decided what type of production would be best suited for our country (he could have used the investments under the last administration as a starting point, perhaps taking out the electric vehicles stuff if he doesn't like that sector fine, but domestic production of semiconductors certainly makes sense in our digital age). Then, once he made that decision, he could have opened imposed targeted tariffs on the countries we important those goods/components while simultaneously supporting the private sector through investments and/or lower regulatory burdens.

A more thoughtful approach would be more effective in bringing production back to the US without the market pain he is now imposing (remember, 60% of Americans have retirement savings invested in the stock market).

You are right, but that more measured approach would take too long because it will face a lot of resistance. This chaos is necessary to show that we mean business and crush any resistance.
It shows that we are willing to crash the stock market to achieve our goals.
The final tariffs will be more targeted and moderate. People will feel relieved and accept them without any pushback. That’s the plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

I definitely got the sense from the last election that most Americans would be fine if the price of things increased 2-3x. 5-10x is bonus!

Funny when you think what MAGA'S typical demographic is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

It wasn’t a big issue before Chinese made products started flooding our stores.
It will hurt customers but they will adapt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

How do you know it will be better quality and last longer? Is the iPhone low quality? Are your Nikes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

I definitely got the sense from the last election that most Americans would be fine if the price of things increased 2-3x. 5-10x is bonus!

These price increases are going to crush working class people. People were mad about the 21 percent inflation under Biden, you think people can handle 30-50 percent increases? Housing is ridiculously expensive and a lot of people are currently house/rent poor. Any higher rapid inflation and you are about to see people get evicted in mass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

Of course the goal isn’t to replace the cheap crap. The new economy will be based on consumer consumption of few good quality stuffs. Yes, you can ask people to buy things that will cost more. They have no other choices because the cheap crap will be gone. Older generations did it and life was good in America.