Middle School start times

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

Stop making stuff up. Name the school.
My high school DD when she was at Longfellow MS, she rarely did homework at home. Kids were given time to do them during Lancer Time ( study hall/ free period).

Carson. You do realize that there are all sorts of kids with different abilities. 2E kids who are smart and capable but struggle with attention or low processing speeds. Kids who are of average intelligence but hard workers challenging themselves. Kids with LDs who learn differently and take a bit more time to complete work. And yes, there are kids who socialize or goof off in class and their study time who bring work home.

It is crazy to me that so many parents on this board assume that their kids experience is everyones experience. My kid rarely has homework but I know that he has friends who are bringing work home to complete. Some of those kids are getting all As some are not. Kids are different. They have different abilities and drives.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Did I say that? I said that MS kids have homework. That is what I said.

The 7:30 start time for MS kids is ridiculous. The solution, to me, is to have enough busses and bus drivers that we can get kids to school on a schedule that makes sense. We cannot afford that and there are not enough bus drivers so we need a different solution.

MS gets the shaft because it is a 2 year period of time. Based on sleep schedules, I suspect that there are a lot more ES kids who are up by 7 AM, not all but probably a decent majority, and ES could start earlier. But parents would have to provide after care with a 7:30 or 8:00 start time and that will cause an outcry. ES is also the largest moved for busses, because of the number of schools and the shortest walking zone, so it would take a while to get the kids to school. MS and HS start times would be moved to sometime after 9:00, which would mess up after school activities for a lot of kids.

The end solution is probably keep things as they are and have MS kids suck it up for a few years, moving to a slightly better schedule in HS.

The reality is that we can all find individual exemptions to the norm, “My ES kids doesn’t wake up until 8 and it will be a struggle if school starts earlier” type thing. “My MS didn’t have homework so who cares about homework time after school.” You need to realize that there are exceptions to the rule and the one of two kids you know who are like your kids probably are not the norm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

Stop making stuff up. Name the school.
My high school DD when she was at Longfellow MS, she rarely did homework at home. Kids were given time to do them during Lancer Time ( study hall/ free period).

Carson. You do realize that there are all sorts of kids with different abilities. 2E kids who are smart and capable but struggle with attention or low processing speeds. Kids who are of average intelligence but hard workers challenging themselves. Kids with LDs who learn differently and take a bit more time to complete work. And yes, there are kids who socialize or goof off in class and their study time who bring work home.

It is crazy to me that so many parents on this board assume that their kids experience is everyones experience. My kid rarely has homework but I know that he has friends who are bringing work home to complete. Some of those kids are getting all As some are not. Kids are different. They have different abilities and drives.

+1 my kid was at Carson and they definitely had homework in at least math and Spanish. Spanish is intense there, but they did a wonderful job of preparing for high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

[Anonymous]

Middle school is 2 years.

Just leave the schedule as it is and quit disrupting people's lives

Rezoning is controversial enough.

Don't mess with start times on top of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Principals don’t agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

[Anonymous]

The schedule change will never please everyone. I have both ES and MS kids and I prefer not to adjust to another new schedule, even I don’t need any childcare. Currently my ES dismissal at 3:30pm but school bus arrived at school to pick them up at 3:45pm, and get him to our bus stop around 4pm, even our bus stop is 5 minute drive to school. My MS kids dismissal at 2:15pm but get to our bus stop around 3pm (15-20 minute drive, 45 min on bus), and if they get later dismissal during traffic hour, it could further delay to maybe total an hour? I think it will push more parents to just use kids & ride, and make things more miserable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

The issue not being addressed with schedule E is the morning childcare issue now created. Working parents can fork over extra money for before care if they can find it or leave young kids alone at home to walk to the bus stop/school on their own? They should just leave it as is especially since the ES schedule is for 7 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

Middle schools gpas don't matter.

Plus, it is just 2 years.

[Anonymous]

Middle schoolers don't need the after school program.

That is a luxury, not a need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

Middle schools gpas don't matter.

Plus, it is just 2 years.

In middle school, like many students, my child has taken Algebra I, Geometry, Spanish 1, and Spanish 2. That's four high school credits that contribute to high school GPA. I beg to differ that middle school GPAs don't matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

The issue not being addressed with schedule E is the morning childcare issue now created. Working parents can fork over extra money for before care if they can find it or leave young kids alone at home to walk to the bus stop/school on their own? They should just leave it as is especially since the ES schedule is for 7 years

This. ES is actually 8 years as most ES have preschools. We have 3-4 year olds in headstart all day. Childcare is a huge problem and an astronomical cost. But also, these kids getting home at 5:30 is ridiculous.

The best options are to keep as it is or c2 which puts middle school last. Either schedule sucks. The later will give them extra sleep.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Kids will adjust. It’s only 30 minutes.

Nope.

Guve middle school the schedule that gets them home at 5PM.

Nope. Not gonna happen as they need the after school activities program. Elementary school kids can get home later as they have no homework and no classes they count toward their GPAs. Half the kids are already at SACC or some after school activity.

Middle schools gpas don't matter.

Plus, it is just 2 years.

In middle school, like many students, my child has taken Algebra I, Geometry, Spanish 1, and Spanish 2. That's four high school credits that contribute to high school GPA. I beg to differ that middle school GPAs don't matter.

My kid is in the same situation, different language though. But our cards are the minority, probably less then 10% of the MS kids are taking this schedule. And the kids taking those schedules are probably ones with less to no homework and better study skills then many other kids. I would guess that Half of the MS kids will end up taking at least 2 HS courses in MS, mostly Algebra 1 and a language, while a far smaller number will have 4 HS courses.

I don’t want my kid starting at 9:30 because that means he loses out on some of the after school activiites that he enjoys, like math counts, because I doubt that those are going to be held from 4:30-6:30. Right now his after school stuff is from 2:30-4:30. I am not sure that the parent volunteers would be available at 7:30 AM to run the club or if the school will open for clubs in the AM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Option E has my elementary schooler arriving home at 5:00pm (30 minute bus ride). That is ridiculous.

Why would you make your kid ride the bus for 30 min? Just use kiss n ride.

Right, because parents don’t have jobs that require them to be at work between 9 am and 5 pm. They should just send the nanny to kiss n ride! Problem solved.