Do Prestigious Schools Matter for Future Success?

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

Do you have a job? If so tell me about the backgrounds of the senior leaders at your company? I suspect you might be unemployed though and not too bright.

This is a perfect example of what a first class resume gets you — unshakeable self-worth even with ad hominem attacks. It’s really something. If anything, the chuckle and a shrug you caused made you appear more endearing 🤷‍♂️

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one more thing, “senior leaders”? Who uses that language?! shake off the servant mindset

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

I agree with you and I went to the top schools

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I had assumed the "SES Fed" poster is a troll. I've seen that statement in this College forum before. It's just planted to get a rise out of people. Like that "Frustrated" thread with the mom who's "upset" that her B student is being rejected for transfer into a T25. Look how it's worded. Troll post.

Unfortunately, this is going on much more often than people want to admit. I work at a federal government financial regulatory agency, and it is happening so blatantly in my own division.

Race to the bottom. Particularly in support service where performance isn’t as clearly measured

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

It’s not others fault you poors can’t work hard and establish your own networks. Hate the game all you want, but it’s called winning. Most people are qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

I agree with you and I went to the top schools

+1

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

That's your definition, but others think differently. Have you ever heard of "your net worth is your network"? "Network" is the most important thing during high school, college, and post college graduation. I've seen Ivy candidate's resumes get rejected because they do not have the right "connections" in both government and in the private sector. Life is NOT fair.

FWIW, my DS attended Sidwell, and one of his best friends' father is the CIO at an F500 company. DS didn't even bother looking for jobs prior to college graduation. After traveling for six months post-graduation, DS called his buddy and he got a job two weeks after that from his buddy's (the CIO) father.

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

That's your definition, but others think differently. Have you ever heard of "your net worth is your network"? "Network" is the most important thing during high school, college, and post college graduation. I've seen Ivy candidate's resumes get rejected because they do not have the right "connections" in both government and in the private sector. Life is NOT fair.

FWIW, my DS attended Sidwell, and one of his best friends' father is the CIO at an F500 company. DS didn't even bother looking for jobs prior to college graduation. After traveling for six months post-graduation, DS called his buddy and he got a job two weeks after that from his buddy's (the CIO) father.

This was an unsubstantive comment. Just because people DO something doesn’t mean it should be the practice. Your network matters should matter in careers where it has a clear benefit: Producer, money manager, etc. a government job serves the public, and our administrators and bureaucratic heads filling seats with a bunch of their children isn’t a good idea just because it can be done.

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it, but if I hear things like "My kid didn't go to an ivy and he turned out fine, he went to Duke undergrad and Stanford for an MBA." OBVIOUSLY that doesn't count if you're including two very prestigious schools that are better than most of the ivy league. I'm talking about going to regular schools (not top privates or flagship state schools) and having a great career. Thanks!

Ofc it does not matter for the VAST majority. I’ve had docs from all sorts of “non-prestigious “ schools. Maybe certain fields it matters more but that’s going to be the exception. My “evidence” is only anecdotal but I knee very few people who went to an Ivy or Duke type school and who are doing extremely well.

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Oh it does. You’re old and know very few people from the top schools by your own admission. So you are displaying a confirmation bias.

A few reminders:
When most people mentioned as success here went to school, there were half the people in the world as today
Immigration wasn’t prevalent
AI wasn’t present

The only thing that will matter is the prestige of the top school

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

That's your definition, but others think differently. Have you ever heard of "your net worth is your network"? "Network" is the most important thing during high school, college, and post college graduation. I've seen Ivy candidate's resumes get rejected because they do not have the right "connections" in both government and in the private sector. Life is NOT fair.

FWIW, my DS attended Sidwell, and one of his best friends' father is the CIO at an F500 company. DS didn't even bother looking for jobs prior to college graduation. After traveling for six months post-graduation, DS called his buddy and he got a job two weeks after that from his buddy's (the CIO) father.

This was an unsubstantive comment. Just because people DO something doesn’t mean it should be the practice. Your network matters should matter in careers where it has a clear benefit: Producer, money manager, etc. a government job serves the public, and our administrators and bureaucratic heads filling seats with a bunch of their children isn’t a good idea just because it can be done.

So wait, now you are moved to call the nepotism out when Sidwell is mentioned?

No reaction when the fed admitted to defrauding the taxpayers

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

That's your definition, but others think differently. Have you ever heard of "your net worth is your network"? "Network" is the most important thing during high school, college, and post college graduation. I've seen Ivy candidate's resumes get rejected because they do not have the right "connections" in both government and in the private sector. Life is NOT fair.

FWIW, my DS attended Sidwell, and one of his best friends' father is the CIO at an F500 company. DS didn't even bother looking for jobs prior to college graduation. After traveling for six months post-graduation, DS called his buddy and he got a job two weeks after that from his buddy's (the CIO) father.

This was an unsubstantive comment. Just because people DO something doesn’t mean it should be the practice. Your network matters should matter in careers where it has a clear benefit: Producer, money manager, etc. a government job serves the public, and our administrators and bureaucratic heads filling seats with a bunch of their children isn’t a good idea just because it can be done.

So wait, now you are moved to call the nepotism out when Sidwell is mentioned?

No reaction when the fed admitted to defrauding the taxpayers

You should work at either the Treasury department or Security Exchange Commission (SEC). It has been going on for as long as I can remember, and yes, it is a well known thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on your how far down you are comparing schools. UVA vs VT, no. UVA vs GMU, maybe, but probably not. UVA vs Longwood, absolutely

My GMU kid had better job prospects than friends with similar degrees from UVA who graduated the same time.

What they do with internships and other opportunities really matter as,much as the school, when you are comparing state schools

UVA seems to have more competition for everything, cutting many qualified kids from taking advantage of opportunities at the university. Just something to keep in mind.

My kid who attends a top 10 will have more doors opened based on the name of the school. We already see that happening.

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

I grew up poor. This is angering. I understand it’s refreshing for upper middle class DC types, but no, your “network” isn’t a better fit for the workplace.

That's your definition, but others think differently. Have you ever heard of "your net worth is your network"? "Network" is the most important thing during high school, college, and post college graduation. I've seen Ivy candidate's resumes get rejected because they do not have the right "connections" in both government and in the private sector. Life is NOT fair.

FWIW, my DS attended Sidwell, and one of his best friends' father is the CIO at an F500 company. DS didn't even bother looking for jobs prior to college graduation. After traveling for six months post-graduation, DS called his buddy and he got a job two weeks after that from his buddy's (the CIO) father.

This is very unusual.
Getting a job from your best friend's dad is awkward to say the least unless you were otherwise well qualified for the job.

Unless you are blood relative, networks generally only respect competency.