Do Prestigious Schools Matter for Future Success?

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Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

Many kids mature after 12th grade. My ds in HS was not as motivated as he is in college. He is doing great when it comes to getting the best internships and making use of other opportunities. Also, HS requires studying many subjects that might not interest kids whereas in the real world and college one can focus on what they like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

What makes you think some rando AO is the determinant of drive and grit?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

Do you have a job? If so tell me about the backgrounds of the senior leaders at your company? I suspect you might be unemployed though and not too bright.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I had assumed the "SES Fed" poster is a troll. I've seen that statement in this College forum before. It's just planted to get a rise out of people. Like that "Frustrated" thread with the mom who's "upset" that her B student is being rejected for transfer into a T25. Look how it's worded. Troll post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I had assumed the "SES Fed" poster is a troll. I've seen that statement in this College forum before. It's just planted to get a rise out of people. Like that "Frustrated" thread with the mom who's "upset" that her B student is being rejected for transfer into a T25. Look how it's worded. Troll post.

Unfortunately, this is going on much more often than people want to admit. I work at a federal government financial regulatory agency, and it is happening so blatantly in my own division.

[Anonymous]

The local hospital CEO, in my hometown, went to no name Christian school in a state known for poor education. He makes over $2,000,000 a year. //// Governor in Oklahoma went to Oklahoma State University and has millions in the bank. /// Regional college graduates go into nursing, teaching, etc. and have solid careers. /// I have met doctors who went to no name private podunk college and graduate from medical school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The local hospital CEO, in my hometown, went to no name Christian school in a state known for poor education. He makes over $2,000,000 a year. //// Governor in Oklahoma went to Oklahoma State University and has millions in the bank. /// Regional college graduates go into nursing, teaching, etc. and have solid careers. /// I have met doctors who went to no name private podunk college and graduate from medical school.

DCUM is so dumb. They can't tell the difference between anecdotal and statistical evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Completely wrong to think the only value of an Ivy education is the connections you build there. So ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Completely wrong to think the only value of an Ivy education is the connections you build there. So ignorant.

Get off your high horse. You must come from money. People who grew up in McLean don't worry about money because they already have money. People who grow up in PG county, most do not have generational wealth so they have to think about "connections" in order to build up generational wealth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The local hospital CEO, in my hometown, went to no name Christian school in a state known for poor education. He makes over $2,000,000 a year. //// Governor in Oklahoma went to Oklahoma State University and has millions in the bank. /// Regional college graduates go into nursing, teaching, etc. and have solid careers. /// I have met doctors who went to no name private podunk college and graduate from medical school.

Everyone…stop with your stupid anecdotes.

You can’t win the anecdote battle against top schools because the people at the absolute top of the pyramid attended elite schools.

For the record, the wealthiest person in Oklahoma with an $8BN net worth went to…wait for it…Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest attended Ivies, and they were both jobless after graduation, and worked at Starbucks. My youngest DS was a D1 recruited athlete at UNC Chapel Hill, and he got a job in IB after graduation because the EVP was an alum at UNC. My DS was able to secure jobs for his older brother and sister because he contacted the EVP to help his siblings. Going to Ivies is not going to help you if you do not have the "right" connections. Therefore, in my children situation, it is a resounding NO. It is not how much you know but who you know, or who knows you.

UNC is ranked in the top 30...and with Duke, UVA, Stanford, and Vanderbilt it has a unique combination of top D1 athletics and prestige.

Something also tells me that the siblings wouldn't have been considered at all if they had attended say VCU

PP here. My DS was also able to secure a spot in the IB division for one of his cousins who attended GMU, just like he did for his older siblings. FWIW, I am an SES Fed, and I routinely reject Ivies candidates over candidates who attended JMU, VCU, or VT. It is because I know their parents, and I want to help them out. As I've said before, it is not going to do you any good if you attend a prestigious university, but you do not build any connections when you are there.

Whaaat?! You’re using taxpayer $$$ on nepotism? This is literally a fireable offense. Not to mention that you’re depriving the government of better performing talent

+100, I’ve never seen someone so brazenly admit to something immoral just to make a point

I actually found it refreshing. I cant believe anyone here thinks network don't matter. It's human nature to go with known quanitities and I've both hired kids I sort of know of due to parents (who I believe were smart good kids) and I have asked my friends in industries my kid is in to look at their resume. My kid is super accomplished and cannot break into the big (ultra) leagues so I get people being angry but thank God we had contacts in the mid leagues so he is thriving. I'd like to know how kids from the non elite are getting into these places absent connections, I am witnessing that it does not happen, I dont see ANYONE getting in big places unless they are at the top 5 schools or parents have connections. Top 10 does not cut it. Wish it was otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Drive and grit are more likely to lead to success in almost any field.

Including in college applications? If the drive and grit didn’t lead to a target school, was there really a drive and grit?

Do you have a job? If so tell me about the backgrounds of the senior leaders at your company? I suspect you might be unemployed though and not too bright.

Oh wow. You’d be shocked.