Andover matriculation

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Anonymous wrote:As a NYer with kids in boarding school (but not Andover), I can explain part of the UVA, I think.

- More kids from VA than, say, MI. Just because you're going to school in MA or NH or whatever, doesn't mean you still dont have a state school.

- We have either a Jefferson or Walentas winner most years. And from our school, you don't get the Jefferson nomination unless you're going to accept it (over ivy etc). So they matriculate.

Many kids in boarding schools are hooked. Either by legacy, sports, FGLI (better FA at our school than many colleges) plus they have the added proof that they can live independently and do the work. It makes saying Yes to these kids pretty easy from a college pov.

I think this is right. After MA, the most popular places for kids to be from were CA, NY/NJ/CT and the DC area.

If kids are going to go to college anywhere close to where they’re from, UVA or Georgetown are good options for DC area kids.

The tri state area kids are usually looking at Columbia or Princeton.

The CA kids from Andover are usually competitive for Stanford as opposed to Berkeley or UCLA.

I also think there’s just more of a prestige perception when it comes to UVA vs some of the other public schools. Not saying it’s fair (I think Michigan is just as good), but I do think it’s there.

Bingo. Was that so hard? I know haters are going to hate, but this is the truth. There is no other reason why nearly 30 graduates of Andover have chosen to attend UVA in the last three years.

Exactlly. At least through the lens of Andover type students, and their guidance counselors (don't forget how important they are in the process!), UVA has more prestige than other publics. It also doesn't hurt that UVA is smaller, too.

I think it is just that the type of OOS Andover student who can get into Berkeley, can get into even better colleges. The UVA type is likely choosing between that and another mid like UNC.

And you’d think wrong. UNC out of state is an even harder admit than UVA.

It just kills UVA haters that UVA has an elite reputation even among top private schools. It even does admissions tours with them:

https://apps.admissions.yale.edu/share/view?id=53dfa1a0-9c09-43a9-81e1-f8d08252e6da

As per usual, UVA grads being weirdly defensive. Get over yourselves oml. UVA is not the best public university, it's fine.

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Insecure UVA boosters out in full, chip-on-the-shoulder force. On a thread about a boarding school no one in the DMV cares about. Too funny.

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Anonymous wrote:As a NYer with kids in boarding school (but not Andover), I can explain part of the UVA, I think.

- More kids from VA than, say, MI. Just because you're going to school in MA or NH or whatever, doesn't mean you still dont have a state school.

- We have either a Jefferson or Walentas winner most years. And from our school, you don't get the Jefferson nomination unless you're going to accept it (over ivy etc). So they matriculate.

Many kids in boarding schools are hooked. Either by legacy, sports, FGLI (better FA at our school than many colleges) plus they have the added proof that they can live independently and do the work. It makes saying Yes to these kids pretty easy from a college pov.

I think this is right. After MA, the most popular places for kids to be from were CA, NY/NJ/CT and the DC area.

If kids are going to go to college anywhere close to where they’re from, UVA or Georgetown are good options for DC area kids.

The tri state area kids are usually looking at Columbia or Princeton.

The CA kids from Andover are usually competitive for Stanford as opposed to Berkeley or UCLA.

I also think there’s just more of a prestige perception when it comes to UVA vs some of the other public schools. Not saying it’s fair (I think Michigan is just as good), but I do think it’s there.

Bingo. Was that so hard? I know haters are going to hate, but this is the truth. There is no other reason why nearly 30 graduates of Andover have chosen to attend UVA in the last three years.

Exactlly. At least through the lens of Andover type students, and their guidance counselors (don't forget how important they are in the process!), UVA has more prestige than other publics. It also doesn't hurt that UVA is smaller, too.

not to repeat a PP, but also because UVA is their in-state option. Even if they're going to boarding school. they're not going for prestige.. they're going bcs it's their instate option

Lol then why aren’t all the other kids going to THEIR in state options?

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Let me guess: one of the usual insecure UVA nutters started this silly thread. How embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

I’m confused on how anyone is extrapolating this. What if Berkeley or UCLA or Michigan just don’t accept Andover grads at the rate UVA does? What if the other state schools were all rejected for ivies. So much narrative fitting.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech and UMD are more regional than people here think. It's like saying, "Why no Bing?" on that list.

No one outside the DC area thinks about UMD or VA Tech.

It’s basically Georgetown, UVA, and maybe William and Mary for a kid looking for a small school.

I agree. The University of Maryland's undergraduate population is drawn 70% from Maryland, and almost 20% from NY, Penn, VA and New Jersey.

When you have almost 90% of your students from such a tightly configured region, you are a regional school. Same thing with Virginia Tech. For whatever reasons they aren't in the kids want to go to it from all over the United States tier. Schools like UVA are in that tier.

I have no dog in this fight, but a simple google search tells me that VT is 2/3 Virginians (about 60%) and 1/3 OOS. Certainly not “90%” in state.
https://news.vt.edu/articles/2023/10/CM-fall-census-2023.html#:~:text=In%2Dstate%20students,:%20965%20(out%20of%201%2C102)

The poster was referring to Univ of Maryland. 70% in state. 20% from Penn, NY, NJ, VA. So Maryland is a regional school.

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My kid is at another HADES school. The sr parents from MD have a group chat. I'm assuming the VA parents have one too. All of our kids are applying to UMD because it's the state school. None of our kids actually want to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at another HADES school. The sr parents from MD have a group chat. I'm assuming the VA parents have one too. All of our kids are applying to UMD because it's the state school. None of our kids actually want to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

I’m confused on how anyone is extrapolating this. What if Berkeley or UCLA or Michigan just don’t accept Andover grads at the rate UVA does? What if the other state schools were all rejected for ivies. So much narrative fitting.

Re UCLA and Berkely, might be bias against Andover by UC admissions and/or bias against UC by Andover families. California likes public schools and UC admissions might not view Andover different than any public school. UC is test blind so the 1480 average(!) SAT at Andover doesn't distinguish the students. On other hand, very affluent families don't like UCLA and Berkeley that much. Those 2 schools have the lowest % of very affluent people in T20.

Michigan is different. They will consider SAT score. Michigan is also a lot more popular with very affluent families.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

I’m confused on how anyone is extrapolating this. What if Berkeley or UCLA or Michigan just don’t accept Andover grads at the rate UVA does? What if the other state schools were all rejected for ivies. So much narrative fitting.

Talking about acceptance is pointless because the data Andover provides is matriculation, not acceptances.

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Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

If 5% of the class is admitted or matriculates to a T25/T5, it’s an astounding private high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

If 5% of the class is admitted or matriculates to a T25/T5, it’s an astounding private high school.

50%

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Tufts, NEU, BC, Tufts, BU also getting some local Andover love.

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One thing that is hard for me to understand is that while Andover is super generous with providing scholarships to low income students that comes at a big cost if you have to send your child away at 14. There's such a tradeoff of missing out on formative years with other siblings etc. with life altering network, etc. That isn't an easy choice for a poorer family.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

Sure. Of maybe there is just a well-worn pathway to UVA. My twins attend two different privates. At one, UVA is doable with a 3.8. At the other you really need a 3.9. Michigan is the reverse. The second school will take kids down to about a 3.7 while Michigan routinely requires a 3.9 from the first high school.

Who knows why this is the case. Personal relationships between the local admissions rep and the high school(s) college counseling office? Experience with past grads (both positive and negative) from these high schools?

In the world of private high schools relationships with colleges is a BIG factor that determines where kids apply.

I know several Deerfield grads at UVA, none of whom are in state. I was told by one of their parents that there is a “relationship” between UVA and Deerfield and that it’s basically a sure bet for kids who apply. My sense from talking to two of the kids, both HYP legacies, UVA is considered a great school, fun, and warm, and therefore more appealing than trying to use their legacy card.