If you are voting for Trump based on immigration- why?

[Anonymous]

Maga is so dumb
Sure let’s support another Trump scam give our money to our god of treason .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A lot US citizens are really upset that they have waited years and years to sponsor family members from to join them from other countries while people are cutting in line as so many people claiming asylum are clearly economic refugees.

If you followed the official process and you are a US citizen who wants to sponsor your unmarried children who are over 21, the Department of State is processing applications filed in October of 2015- so 9 years. If your children live in Mexico the wait is even longer- they are processing applications submitted Jan 2003- so 21 years.

If you want to sponsor your brother or sister application filed in 2007 are being processed - so 17 years (and longer for certain countries).

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2025/visa-bulletin-for-october-2024.html

So now imagine you have been waiting that long and Biden in October of 2022 decides he is going to let people from certain countries cut in line. So he flies in roughly 214,000  Haitians, 117,000 Venezuelans, 111,000 Cubans and 96,000 Nicaraguans to the U.S. so far under the policy.

Now add to that all the asylum seekers who are economic refugees but are also cutting the line.

People who aren't immigrants or who don't have family members who are immigrants have no idea what is really happening.

This new wave is completely different and it is going to be a disaster. Historically migrants to the US have made their own way and don't immediately rely on hand outs and free housing (not including refugees and we actually don't take many refugees as a country). Listen to the podcast from This American Life 818 Stand Clear of the Moving doors. I suppose they meant it to be sympathetic, but the profile a group consisting of two families traveling with two guys that show up to the Roosevelt Hotel expecting to get free hotel rooms. The city buses them to a tent shelter where they can stay for free. The families leave and go back to the Roosevelt hotel to demand hotel rooms explaining ""They said they were going to send us to a hotel, but it wasn't a hotel. It's a campsite," says one of the men, "where we're all sleeping on cots. And we need our privacy for the kids. You understand? And the bathrooms-- they're not in the main tent. You have to go outside to use them." So the family has come on foot all the way from Venezuela through Central America and Mexico and the tent shelter being offered is probably way better than anywhere else they stayed along with way.

When so many are coming with an expectation that the US owes them something, it doesn't bode well for everyone else here.

Thanks for recommending the episode. Those people are something!

It really was eye opening. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/818/stand-clear-of-the-closing-doors
It aired last December. My family and in-laws are immigrants from Latin America some came legally and some not but what we have in common is that we didn't expect any handouts. We got help from family to get settled or got a job right away and supported themselves. So we believe immigration makes this country better but so many new immigrants are giving us a bad name expecting that the United States owes them housing and food. In the epidode NYC has spent 2 billion dollars on new migrants.

They interview another woman from Peru whose dream has been to come to New York City

They interview her and the translator explains, "She's been in the US for six months now. She was one of the people I talked to who did not have a difficult or dangerous journey here. She flew to Mexico, walked across the border, got picked up by border patrol and requested asylum. Then she flew from Texas to New York City." If you have the money to book multiple flights how do you get to claim asylum in the US coming from Peru?

Then the next segment is on new students. "So there are 20,000 of these new migrant kids enrolled in New York City schools at the start of the school year." That is such a massive number of new students to absorb in one year.

Now with social media the word has spread that NYC offers free housing. So one really nice person helping African immigrants explains the situation of why so many migrants are coming, "She founded this place to serve a new generation of migrants from places like Guinea and Mauritania who've been making their way to the United States in the last couple of years. Those people started coming in large numbers this summer in part because of a Nicaraguan government's decision to change their visa system. So Africans could just fly to Nicaragua, and from there, walk and hitchhike to the United States. You no longer had to pass through the often-lethal Darien Gap connecting Colombia and Panama. Word spread on social media about it. And lots of people came." We can't support everyone around the world.

The story then continues that she is trying to place 27 young men ages 18-21 into NYC youth transitional shelters, "Adama's biggest challenge today is 27 young men, aged 18 through 21 here in the US without their parents. Today, Adama wants to find them all housing. And she's trying to get them into what she says is the gold standard here.

Instead of regular migrant shelters, she wants to get them placed in the city's youth shelter system. That system serves all young New Yorkers aged 16 through 21 without homes, not just migrants. And in the youth shelter system, you could potentially get a spot for up to two years, not just 30 days. You also get vocational training, mental health services, and help finding schools, which are all services these kids would rarely get in the regular migrant shelters.

It's going to be hard for Adama to place all 27 boys [they are all 18 and over] , though, because a lot of the youth shelters are full."

So there isn't enough space for US citizens in these youth shelters, so it doesn't make sense that young adults who arrive are taking spaces from people who grew up in NYC and need help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There have been recent articles about the influx of migrants into small towns, such as Whitewater, Wisconsin. Those of you denying there is any negative impact on U.S. citizens need your heads examined.

“Springfield, Ohio, isn’t the only small Midwestern city dealing with an unprecedented influx of migrants and the strain it places on municipal services. Whitewater, Wis., Police Chief Daniel Meyer started noticing increased encounters between his officers and recently arrived migrants from Nicaragua and Venezuela in early 2022. Mr. Meyer estimates that at least 1,000 migrants from Central America established themselves in the city of 15,000 in 2022 and 2023. Officials in Whitewater, about an hour west of Milwaukee, have had difficulty managing the stresses on law enforcement, housing stock and schools. With no advance warning from the federal government, the city was caught completely unprepared by the migrant influx.

The proliferation of overcrowded living spaces shared by people who are unrelated has resulted in a spike of domestic and sexual assault claims to Whitewater police. An investigation into the alleged kidnapping of a minor revealed that a migrant had held the girl against her will for three days. She claimed the man choked and hit her while pointing a gun at her head.

Latin American gangs have also arrived in Wisconsin. Earlier this month a woman was sexually assaulted in Prairie du Chien by a suspected member of Tren de Aragua, the violent criminal organization born a decade ago in Venezuela’s prisons. Whitewater police have determined that Nicaraguan members of the Salvadoran gang MS-13 are present in the city. Cops have seized almost a quarter million dollars of cartel funds as part of various investigations.

The nation’s broken immigration system is placing an unmanageable burden on local governments. Federal assistance is often unavailable or insufficient. Whitewater has sought state help, including from the governor’s office, but officials in Madison prefer to keep the meetings low-profile to avoid press coverage. With so much money flying out the door, the Whitewater police and school district are considering referendums to authorize an increase in property taxes to cover operational expenses in spring 2025.

Congress and the White House need to secure the border. State and local governments need to know that a clear process exists for removing violent migrants from their communities. To the extent that migrants have legally settled somewhere, towns and cities like Whitewater need the resources to offset the strain on basic public services like policing and education.”
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/how-the-migrant-crisis-strains-municipal-services-in-a-small-city-midwest-whitewater-wisconsin-central-americans-75b6be5f?st=L59Qsi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

And a letter to the editor from a Whitewater resident:

In Jacob Curtis’s article detailing the challenges the huge influx of migrants is posing to my little town (“How the Migrant Crisis Strains Whitewater, Wis.,” Cross Country, Sept. 28), the biggest challenge went largely unremarked. According to the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction, in addition to the number of special-needs students, the number of economically disadvantaged and English-learner students in a district is the biggest driver of educational outcomes. Migrant children almost always fall in both of these latter two categories.

As a result, what used to be an above-average school district in a university town has seen the biggest drop in educational achievement in the state for larger districts. We are in the bottom 17% and falling, driving many parents, including even some on the school board, to enroll their kids elsewhere.

To put it mildly, it’s frustrating to hear politicians imply we are racist xenophobes for our concern over what’s happening to our schools. No doubt most of these politicians ensure their own kids don’t see a classroom with even one English learner. They make up half of some of our classrooms.

Henri Kinson

And Trump will fix this how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maga is so dumb
Sure let’s support another Trump scam give our money to our god of treason .

You seem to be well-versed in “dumb.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been recent articles about the influx of migrants into small towns, such as Whitewater, Wisconsin. Those of you denying there is any negative impact on U.S. citizens need your heads examined.

“Springfield, Ohio, isn’t the only small Midwestern city dealing with an unprecedented influx of migrants and the strain it places on municipal services. Whitewater, Wis., Police Chief Daniel Meyer started noticing increased encounters between his officers and recently arrived migrants from Nicaragua and Venezuela in early 2022. Mr. Meyer estimates that at least 1,000 migrants from Central America established themselves in the city of 15,000 in 2022 and 2023. Officials in Whitewater, about an hour west of Milwaukee, have had difficulty managing the stresses on law enforcement, housing stock and schools. With no advance warning from the federal government, the city was caught completely unprepared by the migrant influx.

The proliferation of overcrowded living spaces shared by people who are unrelated has resulted in a spike of domestic and sexual assault claims to Whitewater police. An investigation into the alleged kidnapping of a minor revealed that a migrant had held the girl against her will for three days. She claimed the man choked and hit her while pointing a gun at her head.

Latin American gangs have also arrived in Wisconsin. Earlier this month a woman was sexually assaulted in Prairie du Chien by a suspected member of Tren de Aragua, the violent criminal organization born a decade ago in Venezuela’s prisons. Whitewater police have determined that Nicaraguan members of the Salvadoran gang MS-13 are present in the city. Cops have seized almost a quarter million dollars of cartel funds as part of various investigations.

The nation’s broken immigration system is placing an unmanageable burden on local governments. Federal assistance is often unavailable or insufficient. Whitewater has sought state help, including from the governor’s office, but officials in Madison prefer to keep the meetings low-profile to avoid press coverage. With so much money flying out the door, the Whitewater police and school district are considering referendums to authorize an increase in property taxes to cover operational expenses in spring 2025.

Congress and the White House need to secure the border. State and local governments need to know that a clear process exists for removing violent migrants from their communities. To the extent that migrants have legally settled somewhere, towns and cities like Whitewater need the resources to offset the strain on basic public services like policing and education.”
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/how-the-migrant-crisis-strains-municipal-services-in-a-small-city-midwest-whitewater-wisconsin-central-americans-75b6be5f?st=L59Qsi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

And a letter to the editor from a Whitewater resident:

In Jacob Curtis’s article detailing the challenges the huge influx of migrants is posing to my little town (“How the Migrant Crisis Strains Whitewater, Wis.,” Cross Country, Sept. 28), the biggest challenge went largely unremarked. According to the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction, in addition to the number of special-needs students, the number of economically disadvantaged and English-learner students in a district is the biggest driver of educational outcomes. Migrant children almost always fall in both of these latter two categories.

As a result, what used to be an above-average school district in a university town has seen the biggest drop in educational achievement in the state for larger districts. We are in the bottom 17% and falling, driving many parents, including even some on the school board, to enroll their kids elsewhere.

To put it mildly, it’s frustrating to hear politicians imply we are racist xenophobes for our concern over what’s happening to our schools. No doubt most of these politicians ensure their own kids don’t see a classroom with even one English learner. They make up half of some of our classrooms.

Henri Kinson

And Trump will fix this how?

Seriously? Hopefully by reinstating his border protocols that Biden revoked immediately upon becoming president. Look how well that worked out for us.

[Anonymous]

Trump you mean the guy who shut down the vote for border security where all republicans voted against it?? Him??

You mean the guy who made millions with Bannon on his build the wall scam how’s that working out Bannon in jail so are the other contractors all of them?

You mean the installation of Stephen Miller of Border czar better buckle up bitter cup Millers your worst nightmare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, I’m voting for Trump based on the Biden-Harris open borders disaster. All I have to do is look at his first term in office and the policies he implemented to see he would be far more effective on the issue. 10 million illegals won’t enter the country like they would in a second Harris term. She and the rest of the administration have no interest in securing the border. Only finding more ways to fly the illegals directly into our communities, spending billions of dollars of taxpayer money to give them public benefits, and giving them all amnesty so they are all citizens and receive even more public benefits (and vote for Democrats, of course).

I don’t think legal Haitian immigrants are going to vote for Trump, who brought them to the US, because he’s now vilifying them. Can you blame them? And, undocumented workers aren’t voting—it’s illegal and very rare—even though they pay taxes.

Unfortunately, this probably won't make a difference. Trump is polling better with Hispanic voters than in 2020. His estimated support among Latino voters is around 40% according to a recent NBC news poll. This number was only 27% in 2020. In Florida. Trump would have won FL by an extra 300k votes in 2020 if these polls are remotely accurate. There are only 500k Haitians in Florida and around 60% of them are US citizens. Out of those 300k only 75% are 18+ and the voter registration rate in Florida is only around 62%. Even if the voter turnout rate among Haitians in FL is 100% that is only 140k votes, the increase in Hispanic support for Trump well exceeds this amount.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been recent articles about the influx of migrants into small towns, such as Whitewater, Wisconsin. Those of you denying there is any negative impact on U.S. citizens need your heads examined.

“Springfield, Ohio, isn’t the only small Midwestern city dealing with an unprecedented influx of migrants and the strain it places on municipal services. Whitewater, Wis., Police Chief Daniel Meyer started noticing increased encounters between his officers and recently arrived migrants from Nicaragua and Venezuela in early 2022. Mr. Meyer estimates that at least 1,000 migrants from Central America established themselves in the city of 15,000 in 2022 and 2023. Officials in Whitewater, about an hour west of Milwaukee, have had difficulty managing the stresses on law enforcement, housing stock and schools. With no advance warning from the federal government, the city was caught completely unprepared by the migrant influx.

The proliferation of overcrowded living spaces shared by people who are unrelated has resulted in a spike of domestic and sexual assault claims to Whitewater police. An investigation into the alleged kidnapping of a minor revealed that a migrant had held the girl against her will for three days. She claimed the man choked and hit her while pointing a gun at her head.

Latin American gangs have also arrived in Wisconsin. Earlier this month a woman was sexually assaulted in Prairie du Chien by a suspected member of Tren de Aragua, the violent criminal organization born a decade ago in Venezuela’s prisons. Whitewater police have determined that Nicaraguan members of the Salvadoran gang MS-13 are present in the city. Cops have seized almost a quarter million dollars of cartel funds as part of various investigations.

The nation’s broken immigration system is placing an unmanageable burden on local governments. Federal assistance is often unavailable or insufficient. Whitewater has sought state help, including from the governor’s office, but officials in Madison prefer to keep the meetings low-profile to avoid press coverage. With so much money flying out the door, the Whitewater police and school district are considering referendums to authorize an increase in property taxes to cover operational expenses in spring 2025.

Congress and the White House need to secure the border. State and local governments need to know that a clear process exists for removing violent migrants from their communities. To the extent that migrants have legally settled somewhere, towns and cities like Whitewater need the resources to offset the strain on basic public services like policing and education.”
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/how-the-migrant-crisis-strains-municipal-services-in-a-small-city-midwest-whitewater-wisconsin-central-americans-75b6be5f?st=L59Qsi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

And a letter to the editor from a Whitewater resident:

In Jacob Curtis’s article detailing the challenges the huge influx of migrants is posing to my little town (“How the Migrant Crisis Strains Whitewater, Wis.,” Cross Country, Sept. 28), the biggest challenge went largely unremarked. According to the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction, in addition to the number of special-needs students, the number of economically disadvantaged and English-learner students in a district is the biggest driver of educational outcomes. Migrant children almost always fall in both of these latter two categories.

As a result, what used to be an above-average school district in a university town has seen the biggest drop in educational achievement in the state for larger districts. We are in the bottom 17% and falling, driving many parents, including even some on the school board, to enroll their kids elsewhere.

To put it mildly, it’s frustrating to hear politicians imply we are racist xenophobes for our concern over what’s happening to our schools. No doubt most of these politicians ensure their own kids don’t see a classroom with even one English learner. They make up half of some of our classrooms.

Henri Kinson

And Trump will fix this how?

he won't make it worse like Harris

remember what Biden did

In his first 100 days in office, Biden signed more than 60 executive actions, 24 of which are direct reversals of Trump’s policies.

Biden has defended the number as necessary to undo what he considers “bad policy” inherited from Trump, especially on immigration.

To date, 10 of his 12 actions on immigration are reversals of Trump’s policies.

“And I want to make it clear — there’s a lot of talk, with good reason, about the number of executive orders that I have signed — I’m not making new law; I’m eliminating bad policy,” Biden said as he signed a series of actions on immigration from the Oval Office on February 2. “What I’m doing is taking on the issues that — 99% of them — that the president, the last president of the United States, issued executive orders I felt were very counterproductive to our security, counterproductive to who we are as a country, particularly in the area of immigration.”

04/16/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: Yes
Reverses the Trump policy banning refugees from key regions and enables flights from those regions to begin within days. Declares that the 15,000 annual refugee cap set by Trump will be raised to a number to be determined by May 15.

02/04/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Expands the United States Refugee Admissions Program and rescinds Trump policies that limited refugee admissions and required additional vetting

02/02/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Aims to address economic and political causes of migration, works with organizations to provide protection to asylum seekers and ensures Central American asylum seekers have legal access to the United States. Rescinds Trump administration policies and guidelines and also initiates a review of policies “that have effectively closed the U.S. border to asylum seekers”

02/02/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Rescinds Trump’s memo requiring immigrants to repay the government if they receive public benefits. Elevates the role of the executive branch in promoting immigrant integration and inclusion, including reestablishing a Task Force on New Americans. Requires agencies to review immigration regulations and policies

01/20/2021
Topic: Census
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Requires non-citizens to be included in the Census and apportionment of congressional representatives

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: No
Fortifies DACA after Trump’s efforts to undo protections for undocumented people brought into the country as children

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Proclamation
Reversal: Yes
Reverses the Trump administration’s restrictions on US entry for passport holders from seven Muslim-majority countries

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Undoes Trump’s expansion of immigration enforcement within the United States

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Proclamation
Reversal: Yes
Halts construction of the border wall by terminating the national emergency declaration used to fund it

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: No
Extends deferrals of deportation and work authorizations for Liberians with a safe haven in the United States until June 30, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump you mean the guy who shut down the vote for border security where all republicans voted against it?? Him??

You mean the guy who made millions with Bannon on his build the wall scam how’s that working out Bannon in jail so are the other contractors all of them?

You mean the installation of Stephen Miller of Border czar better buckle up bitter cup Millers your worst nightmare

As usual, the globalists at DCM completely ignored HR2

H.R. 2 includes a laundry list of essential immigration reforms long fought for by immigration experts;
* Plugging loopholes in the asylum system that are currently being exploited by economic migrants by raising the bar for “credible fear” claims and denying entry to aliens claiming asylum at the border who have passed through a safe third country on their way to the United States and failed to apply in that safe country;
* Blocking the administration from continuing its catch-and-release policy by making most illegal aliens ineligible for parole or release from custody other than to be returned to their home country or to a contiguous country to await the adjudication of their asylum claim there (Remain in Mexico);.
* Preventing family units who cross the border illegally from being released into the United States by requiring family units apprehended at the border to be detained, protecting them from exploitation and victimization by the cartels and traffickers;
* Reining in the breathtaking and illegal abuse of parole that this administration has been using to create its own immigration system outside of the confines of the Immigration and Nationality Act; and
* Installing teeth into efforts to deter visa overstays.

Perhaps most importantly, the bill would require employers to check the legal status of new hires through the free, easy-to-use E-Verify system. By making it much harder for illegal aliens to find jobs, the reform would deter would-be migrants from ever journeying to the United States.

and yet Democrats have shown they are not serious about controlling immigration, and it seems that increasing immigration is a policy choice by Democrats/WAPO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re voting for trump because they’re racist morons. No other explanation.

I'm a teacher. Do you honestly think a class in which 75% or more of the students are learning English as a second language doesn't impact the instructional pace? That's not a racist comment. It's a big challenge for the teachers and students.

I’m a teacher too and I hear you. I’m not an ESOL teacher. I value our ESOL staff but they are overwhelmed and getting more so every day. Even mentioning this strain gets us all tagged as racists in progressive circles from people who wouldn’t last an hour in a classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It's really something witnessing people who are convinced they are intellectually superior, deny deny deny what illegal immigration is doing to this country - even in the face of the WaPo, NYT, et al reporting on this disaster.

They know that's what they are supposed to do, lest they give ammunition to the other side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is informative. But I still think, especially if Trump doesn’t even do a good job with immigration, the dangers he brings are greater. I would elaborate but if you really don’t see this nothing will wake you up.

The dangers of another term of the Harris mass migration are more worrisome to me. Harris did nothing to listen to people’s concerns about the massive migrant influx. She can’t expect people to vote for her when she doesn’t address issues we are concerned about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump you mean the guy who shut down the vote for border security where all republicans voted against it?? Him??

You mean the guy who made millions with Bannon on his build the wall scam how’s that working out Bannon in jail so are the other contractors all of them?

You mean the installation of Stephen Miller of Border czar better buckle up bitter cup Millers your worst nightmare

The awful border bill wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. It failed because it was a bad bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re voting for trump because they’re racist morons. No other explanation.

I'm a teacher. Do you honestly think a class in which 75% or more of the students are learning English as a second language doesn't impact the instructional pace? That's not a racist comment. It's a big challenge for the teachers and students.

I’m a teacher too and I hear you. I’m not an ESOL teacher. I value our ESOL staff but they are overwhelmed and getting more so every day. Even mentioning this strain gets us all tagged as racists in progressive circles from people who wouldn’t last an hour in a classroom.

Progressives are people who don’t live in reality. They are behind all of the most awful policy suggestions in this country. They are all behind open borders and oppose any immigration enforcement or border security. They essentially want to allow the whole world to move here illegally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump you mean the guy who shut down the vote for border security where all republicans voted against it?? Him??

You mean the guy who made millions with Bannon on his build the wall scam how’s that working out Bannon in jail so are the other contractors all of them?

You mean the installation of Stephen Miller of Border czar better buckle up bitter cup Millers your worst nightmare

You sound completely stable. It's interesting that you completely left out Biden deciding to implement a border EO - after 3 1/2 yrs. claiming there was "nothing" he could do. Oh, and in an election year, to boot. Sure would have been nice if he had seen fit to implement it years ago, but here we are.