Is a business major for dumb kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a business major getting a PhD.

What would be the point?

Smart people can finish a PhD in 4 years and it is miles ahead of a masters degree.

4 years is enough time to be a senior manager or VP with the MBA

The MBA took 2 years though. They could have earned PhD in 4 years instead.

They were making more the whole time and afterwards tho

You sure about that? Doesn’t sound right to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess crème de la crème prefer mental challenge and intellectual depth, business undergrad doesn't offer that. They can always add an MBA from a top school if needed professionally. Ironically mist business undergrad also end up needing that so makes no sense to limit yourself in undergrad. More superficial types who just want money, tend to go directly for a BBA in undergrad. Most top business schools don't even offer a BBA.

Or, some people come from lower income families and need a good paying job and graduate with no debt.

That was me. BBA grad.

Eventually worked for a FAANG.

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The undergrad business majors I knew were practical people who were not into the scholarly aspects of college (as I was), but were not dumb. It was a different approach to life. They often had family businesses they then worked for and took over. One got very rich in real estate, another in custom home building. They all made more money than I did but I'm okay too.

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The average business major is not a genius, but neither is the average psychology major.

Except for the very best undergraduate business programs - UPenn, Georgetown, Michigan, UVA - undergraduate business programs are intellectually weak. That is, they don’t really encourage critical thinking or develop writing and research skills. Instead, they mostly teach toolkit skills that can be applied to business.

The best programs also require two years of liberal arts and apply business teachings through rigorous case studies, sometimes ones sponsored by Fortune 500 firms. Those case studies challenge students to apply what they’ve learned in an unstructured environment - I.e., they must solve real-life problems. These kids go to high-end employers , like McKinsey, Goldman, and FANG.

However, even kids who go to great undergraduate business programs are less intellectual/more practical than peers who major in philosophy, for example. It’s not that such business majors are dumb, but they do want application, and oftentimes, a quick pathway to a lucrative career in high-end consulting or finance.

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Anonymous wrote:The average business major is not a genius, but neither is the average psychology major.

Except for the very best undergraduate business programs - UPenn, Georgetown, Michigan, UVA - undergraduate business programs are intellectually weak. That is, they don’t really encourage critical thinking or develop writing and research skills. Instead, they mostly teach toolkit skills that can be applied to business.

The best programs also require two years of liberal arts and apply business teachings through rigorous case studies, sometimes ones sponsored by Fortune 500 firms. Those case studies challenge students to apply what they’ve learned in an unstructured environment - I.e., they must solve real-life problems. These kids go to high-end employers , like McKinsey, Goldman, and FANG.

However, even kids who go to great undergraduate business programs are less intellectual/more practical than peers who major in philosophy, for example. It’s not that such business majors are dumb, but they do want application, and oftentimes, a quick pathway to a lucrative career in high-end consulting or finance.

That's not true.
At any level, business school is more competitive other than CS/Engineering.

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Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

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Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

It's not about views.
We go by data.
In 2024, if a school has Business program, it's more competitive and harder to get in. It produces better outcomes.
Thus students in the business programs are smarter on the average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average business major is not a genius, but neither is the average psychology major.

Except for the very best undergraduate business programs - UPenn, Georgetown, Michigan, UVA - undergraduate business programs are intellectually weak. That is, they don’t really encourage critical thinking or develop writing and research skills. Instead, they mostly teach toolkit skills that can be applied to business.

The best programs also require two years of liberal arts and apply business teachings through rigorous case studies, sometimes ones sponsored by Fortune 500 firms. Those case studies challenge students to apply what they’ve learned in an unstructured environment - I.e., they must solve real-life problems. These kids go to high-end employers , like McKinsey, Goldman, and FANG.

However, even kids who go to great undergraduate business programs are less intellectual/more practical than peers who major in philosophy, for example. It’s not that such business majors are dumb, but they do want application, and oftentimes, a quick pathway to a lucrative career in high-end consulting or finance.

very insightful, thank you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

It's not about views.
We go by data.
In 2024, if a school has Business program, it's more competitive and harder to get in. It produces better outcomes.
Thus students in the business programs are smarter on the average.

That isn’t what the data shows at all.

[Anonymous]

You can easily switch into philosophy major from business.

Not the case for the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

It's not about views.
We go by data.
In 2024, if a school has Business program, it's more competitive and harder to get in. It produces better outcomes.
Thus students in the business programs are smarter on the average.

That isn’t what the data shows at all.

It is. Anybody can any any view. who cares.
You need to have higher stats to get into business program directly.
Some programs don't even offer direct admissions, and you have to apply again in your first and 2nd year.
You need maintain high or near perfect GPA and all the other stuff.
It's just a fact and truth. It's got nothing to do with views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

It's not about views.
We go by data.
In 2024, if a school has Business program, it's more competitive and harder to get in. It produces better outcomes.
Thus students in the business programs are smarter on the average.

That isn’t what the data shows at all.

It is. Anybody can any any view. who cares.
You need to have higher stats to get into business program directly.
Some programs don't even offer direct admissions, and you have to apply again in your first and 2nd year.
You need maintain high or near perfect GPA and all the other stuff.
It's just a fact and truth. It's got nothing to do with views.

There are just a limited amount of undergraduate business programs in the country.

Most colleges don’t think it is worth offering undergraduate business degrees in the first place. If you want to be proud of that, go for it.

The overwhelming majority of top colleges do not offer undergrad business degrees. The few that do have limited spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average business major is not a genius, but neither is the average psychology major.

Except for the very best undergraduate business programs - UPenn, Georgetown, Michigan, UVA - undergraduate business programs are intellectually weak. That is, they don’t really encourage critical thinking or develop writing and research skills. Instead, they mostly teach toolkit skills that can be applied to business.

The best programs also require two years of liberal arts and apply business teachings through rigorous case studies, sometimes ones sponsored by Fortune 500 firms. Those case studies challenge students to apply what they’ve learned in an unstructured environment - I.e., they must solve real-life problems. These kids go to high-end employers , like McKinsey, Goldman, and FANG.

However, even kids who go to great undergraduate business programs are less intellectual/more practical than peers who major in philosophy, for example. It’s not that such business majors are dumb, but they do want application, and oftentimes, a quick pathway to a lucrative career in high-end consulting or finance.

Why would I listen to advice from someone who uses “UPenn”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old timers still living in the 70s, please stop posting.

You can live in denial or try to better understand multiple opposing views.

It's not about views.
We go by data.
In 2024, if a school has Business program, it's more competitive and harder to get in. It produces better outcomes.
Thus students in the business programs are smarter on the average.

That isn’t what the data shows at all.

It is. Anybody can any any view. who cares.
You need to have higher stats to get into business program directly.
Some programs don't even offer direct admissions, and you have to apply again in your first and 2nd year.
You need maintain high or near perfect GPA and all the other stuff.
It's just a fact and truth. It's got nothing to do with views.

There are just a limited amount of undergraduate business programs in the country.

Most colleges don’t think it is worth offering undergraduate business degrees in the first place. If you want to be proud of that, go for it.

The overwhelming majority of top colleges do not offer undergrad business degrees. The few that do have limited spots.

Half of T25 schools have it. Rice recently began undergrad business program. Brown started business track.
If schools have it, it's considered competitive prestigious programs.