UGA vs UMD vs Wisconsin

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

40 years ago. Those professors are mostly gone now, or too old to make much of a difference. Once again Wisconsin booster is living in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

Did your DC decide?

Are you in same boat? Mine visited UGA and loved. She goes to Wisconsin next.

Yes, with a couple other schools in the mix. Had a great visit at UGA, but haven’t visited Wisconsin yet. The UGA deadline is fast approaching (we are OOS) and it feels like DC is never going to decide.

Same! The UGA 5/1 is stressing me out! When do you go to Wisconsin? What major? What other schools? Dc got into others - UMD Ohio Indiana. All direct admit but wants UGA or Wisconsin....

Mine has Indiana on the list also! I'm also stressed about the 5/1 deadline and wish they had moved it back in line with their in-state students. If I had to guess I would say UGA and Wisconsin are at the top of DC's list, but it changes by the day. I thought visits would be helpful, but I think they just confirm that both schools are a great fit for a lot of the same - and some different - reasons.

Does your DC care about weather? Greek life? Major? I know this is a good problem but it's a lot. UGA is cheaper by 20k (he got some
Merit) and it's already 10k cheaper.

DC is the most laid back kid ever, which is great until he has to make a decision. He doesn't care about weather, unsure about rushing and looking at business, so they are pretty equal. Mine did not get merit at UGA or Wisconsin unfortunately. Is your DC leaning in one direction over the other?

Same. Mine totally chill but not super decisive. Not leaning one way really. Maybe a tad to Wisconsin but not sure now after UGA visit. When do you go to Wisconsin? We are this week!

Next week, so cutting it close. How was the UGA visit? What was making your DC lean slightly toward Wisconsin?

UGA was great! So now he's leaning towards that. Feel like our Wisconsin visit will just confuse the issue and make it 50/50 again. We toured the business school at UGA and were impressed. One thing is neither are direct admit and Wisconsin does let in some direct admit and it's smaller, so it's a little harder to get in. They also only give you one try. Whereas UGA you can re-apply if you're denied and no one is direct admit. We go to Wisconsin this weekend. I think it also helps to hang out with people and meet them to get an idea. (if possible) Keep us posted! Yes, time is ticking!!

Does your DC have roommates lined up in all of their choices, or will they go with a random match?

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

Did your DC decide?

Are you in same boat? Mine visited UGA and loved. She goes to Wisconsin next.

Yes, with a couple other schools in the mix. Had a great visit at UGA, but haven’t visited Wisconsin yet. The UGA deadline is fast approaching (we are OOS) and it feels like DC is never going to decide.

Same! The UGA 5/1 is stressing me out! When do you go to Wisconsin? What major? What other schools? Dc got into others - UMD Ohio Indiana. All direct admit but wants UGA or Wisconsin....

Mine has Indiana on the list also! I'm also stressed about the 5/1 deadline and wish they had moved it back in line with their in-state students. If I had to guess I would say UGA and Wisconsin are at the top of DC's list, but it changes by the day. I thought visits would be helpful, but I think they just confirm that both schools are a great fit for a lot of the same - and some different - reasons.

Does your DC care about weather? Greek life? Major? I know this is a good problem but it's a lot. UGA is cheaper by 20k (he got some
Merit) and it's already 10k cheaper.

DC is the most laid back kid ever, which is great until he has to make a decision. He doesn't care about weather, unsure about rushing and looking at business, so they are pretty equal. Mine did not get merit at UGA or Wisconsin unfortunately. Is your DC leaning in one direction over the other?

Same. Mine totally chill but not super decisive. Not leaning one way really. Maybe a tad to Wisconsin but not sure now after UGA visit. When do you go to Wisconsin? We are this week!

Next week, so cutting it close. How was the UGA visit? What was making your DC lean slightly toward Wisconsin?

UGA was great! So now he's leaning towards that. Feel like our Wisconsin visit will just confuse the issue and make it 50/50 again. We toured the business school at UGA and were impressed. One thing is neither are direct admit and Wisconsin does let in some direct admit and it's smaller, so it's a little harder to get in. They also only give you one try. Whereas UGA you can re-apply if you're denied and no one is direct admit. We go to Wisconsin this weekend. I think it also helps to hang out with people and meet them to get an idea. (if possible) Keep us posted! Yes, time is ticking!!

Does your DC have roommates lined up in all of their choices, or will they go with a random match?

I wish. He has a possible one Wisconsin. UGA maybe but not likely. Doesn't want random but not sure how he will find one. Seems so late! How about yours?

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

Did your DC decide?

Are you in same boat? Mine visited UGA and loved. She goes to Wisconsin next.

Yes, with a couple other schools in the mix. Had a great visit at UGA, but haven’t visited Wisconsin yet. The UGA deadline is fast approaching (we are OOS) and it feels like DC is never going to decide.

Same! The UGA 5/1 is stressing me out! When do you go to Wisconsin? What major? What other schools? Dc got into others - UMD Ohio Indiana. All direct admit but wants UGA or Wisconsin....

Mine has Indiana on the list also! I'm also stressed about the 5/1 deadline and wish they had moved it back in line with their in-state students. If I had to guess I would say UGA and Wisconsin are at the top of DC's list, but it changes by the day. I thought visits would be helpful, but I think they just confirm that both schools are a great fit for a lot of the same - and some different - reasons.

Does your DC care about weather? Greek life? Major? I know this is a good problem but it's a lot. UGA is cheaper by 20k (he got some
Merit) and it's already 10k cheaper.

DC is the most laid back kid ever, which is great until he has to make a decision. He doesn't care about weather, unsure about rushing and looking at business, so they are pretty equal. Mine did not get merit at UGA or Wisconsin unfortunately. Is your DC leaning in one direction over the other?

Same. Mine totally chill but not super decisive. Not leaning one way really. Maybe a tad to Wisconsin but not sure now after UGA visit. When do you go to Wisconsin? We are this week!

Next week, so cutting it close. How was the UGA visit? What was making your DC lean slightly toward Wisconsin?

UGA was great! So now he's leaning towards that. Feel like our Wisconsin visit will just confuse the issue and make it 50/50 again. We toured the business school at UGA and were impressed. One thing is neither are direct admit and Wisconsin does let in some direct admit and it's smaller, so it's a little harder to get in. They also only give you one try. Whereas UGA you can re-apply if you're denied and no one is direct admit. We go to Wisconsin this weekend. I think it also helps to hang out with people and meet them to get an idea. (if possible) Keep us posted! Yes, time is ticking!!

Does your DC have roommates lined up in all of their choices, or will they go with a random match?

I wish. He has a possible one Wisconsin. UGA maybe but not likely. Doesn't want random but not sure how he will find one. Seems so late! How about yours?

No, he's reached out to a few kids on the Instagram pages. Several already have roommates or haven't fully committed to a school. It feels like a lot of kids are in this position, so hopefully a random match will work out if it comes to that. I'm stressed about a lot of things with this process, but this is near the top.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

Did your DC decide?

Are you in same boat? Mine visited UGA and loved. She goes to Wisconsin next.

Yes, with a couple other schools in the mix. Had a great visit at UGA, but haven’t visited Wisconsin yet. The UGA deadline is fast approaching (we are OOS) and it feels like DC is never going to decide.

Same! The UGA 5/1 is stressing me out! When do you go to Wisconsin? What major? What other schools? Dc got into others - UMD Ohio Indiana. All direct admit but wants UGA or Wisconsin....

Mine has Indiana on the list also! I'm also stressed about the 5/1 deadline and wish they had moved it back in line with their in-state students. If I had to guess I would say UGA and Wisconsin are at the top of DC's list, but it changes by the day. I thought visits would be helpful, but I think they just confirm that both schools are a great fit for a lot of the same - and some different - reasons.

Does your DC care about weather? Greek life? Major? I know this is a good problem but it's a lot. UGA is cheaper by 20k (he got some
Merit) and it's already 10k cheaper.

DC is the most laid back kid ever, which is great until he has to make a decision. He doesn't care about weather, unsure about rushing and looking at business, so they are pretty equal. Mine did not get merit at UGA or Wisconsin unfortunately. Is your DC leaning in one direction over the other?

Same. Mine totally chill but not super decisive. Not leaning one way really. Maybe a tad to Wisconsin but not sure now after UGA visit. When do you go to Wisconsin? We are this week!

Next week, so cutting it close. How was the UGA visit? What was making your DC lean slightly toward Wisconsin?

UGA was great! So now he's leaning towards that. Feel like our Wisconsin visit will just confuse the issue and make it 50/50 again. We toured the business school at UGA and were impressed. One thing is neither are direct admit and Wisconsin does let in some direct admit and it's smaller, so it's a little harder to get in. They also only give you one try. Whereas UGA you can re-apply if you're denied and no one is direct admit. We go to Wisconsin this weekend. I think it also helps to hang out with people and meet them to get an idea. (if possible) Keep us posted! Yes, time is ticking!!

Does your DC have roommates lined up in all of their choices, or will they go with a random match?

I wish. He has a possible one Wisconsin. UGA maybe but not likely. Doesn't want random but not sure how he will find one. Seems so late! How about yours?

No, he's reached out to a few kids on the Instagram pages. Several already have roommates or haven't fully committed to a school. It feels like a lot of kids are in this position, so hopefully a random match will work out if it comes to that. I'm stressed about a lot of things with this process, but this is near the top.

Are you in DMV? We are MCPS. I agree - every step has a new stress!

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

Wisconsin is ranked #35 national university by USNWR. It is nonsense to split off public rankings separately. Just consider it a T40 and move on with your life.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

Top private
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Top public
Berkeley
UCLA
Michigan
UNC
UVA

UVA is ranked #24 national university so that doesn’t count as a top college either.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

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UVA is ranked #24 national university so that doesn’t count as a top college either.

University rankings are dumb, and people who actually put stock in them are dumber.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

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Berkeley
UCLA
Michigan
UNC
UVA

UVA is ranked #24 national university so that doesn’t count as a top college either.

University rankings are dumb, and people who actually put stock in them are dumber.

+1. The point of this debate is Wisco’s rank doesn’t make it better than UGA. They are all top flagships regardless of rank or “famous faculty members” from the 80’s.

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UGA and Wisconsin student bodies look roughly equivalent. Wisconsin faculty are, in aggregate, considerably stronger by any reasonable measure.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

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Berkeley
UCLA
Michigan
UNC
UVA

Can't see too much argument over Berkeley, Michigan, or UCLA. UNC and UVA both are very good at what they do, but neither really does hard sciences or engineering, so they're not really in the same category as the others. Texas, Washington, and Wisconsin all are closer to these "top 3" if you're taking a comprehensive view.

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Anonymous wrote:OP checking in- DC is down to UW Madison or UGA. visiting both again. Fingers crossed it's an easy choice.

UW is a better school, no real question there. UGA is in a better economic location however. That’s actually matters in the long wrong. What do you think powered Michigan ( Ford ) or Berkeley( Silicon Valley)?

Based on what? USWNR? It's 39 vs 47 lol

+1 UW and UGA are going to be the same academic caliber of peer group.

Impossible. UGA graduate school sucks now and forever. They have literally invested noting into their graduate schools, hoping to win talented UG students with football/weather/easy a classes. The professors at Wisconsin are just at another level between UMD and UGA; name me one UGA department ranked in the top 50. With Wisconsin, you can't find a department which is NOT ranked in the top 20.

Who teaches undergrads at Wisconsin?

Mostly full professors. It would be useful if you're applying to graduate schools with one of the best professors in the country writing it. It should be noted in terms of recognition, Wisconsin still has more famous professors than Michigan does, thanks to the fact that many of these professors were hired in the 1980s and 90s (when Michigan entire college of LSA sucked).

Are you a professor at Wisconsin? This exact claim has been posted in several threads recently.

I have a knowledge of academia; but you don't need to have knowledge of academia to understand that Michigan is a university built off of trade schools, not off of being a university. To understand this, simply compare Nobel laureates and notable alumni and their impact. With Michigan you never see any distinct schools of thought in their academics or Nobel laureates; their Nobel laureates come per chance in random, unrelated, fields. At Wisconsin, we see that their Nobel laureates and famous alumni come directly from school of thought in their actual university departments (like at Harvard or Berkeley). For example, from John Bascom influenced Lafollete (future governor and progressive), while also influencing Frederick Jackson Turner who, in turn, influenced several notable academics, progressives, and judges such as Merle Curti, Harvard Judge Henry Friendly, and the economist John Rogers Commons. Commons, in fact, produced several Nobel laureates under his tutelage, most famously Theodore Schultz. And don't think these schools of thought have no influence today. One of the most recent Pulitzer Prize winners was David Blight (UW alumnus) and student of Merle Curti (and thus of Turner and Bascom) and current professor at Yale.

The point is Michigan lacks this kind of structure at all; no schools of thought have ever emerged from there and their academic influence is forgettable. Any attempt by a Michigan booster to explain exactly why Michigan is such a good school eventually falls under a.) citing fluke contemporary rankings b.) law school. Neither of which Michigan can really take credit for (in terms of academics) as it's clear what's creating those things: a.) football b). rich out of state students

You sound unhinged

Agreed. Its comical. Obviously can’t stand the fact that Wisconsin isn’t a top public anymore and hasn’t been in decades.

This is such a weird debate. I don't understand why this poster keeps saying Wisconsin isn't a top public, as if that's the given. No, that's the premise you need to prove. It's going to take a lot of work to prove, given that its ranked 8-12 among publics, peer rep of 4.0+ (automatically puts you in top 6), graduation rate of roughly 90%.

Top private
HYPSM

Top public
Berkeley
UCLA
Michigan
UNC
UVA

UVA is ranked #24 national university so that doesn’t count as a top college either.

University rankings are dumb, and people who actually put stock in them are dumber.

The world disagrees. There must be measures of university performance, and information available to help guide applicants.