Annoyed That Private School High School Students Have Better Admissions Results than Public School Students

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Anonymous wrote:Op it’s so much worse than you realize.
My kid goes to an elite ( not east coast ) private school.
Her summer camp is 10k
We belong to a country club.
She is 9 but can competently ride a horse.
She plays tennis and golf. She’s been in the chess club for 2 years. She wants to do fencing this year. She plays the piano and will start another instrument in fourth grade. She began Spanish and Mandarin in kindergarten.
And she’s in third grade.
She socializes with all kinds of kids because we pay a fortune so the school can afford to be diverse. Her bestie’s mom is a single parent nurse.
My completely obnoxious point is this…

College doesn’t matter.
For the families that are easily swallowing 40k a year for a country day school, a top 25 school isn’t important.
The fact that they are so over represented in college admissions is just another privilege added to the list.


Not sure I understand your point, unless you were just looking for an excuse to tell us you can afford many things. If you are saying that you pouring resources in your child’s education and extracurriculars will make them more competitive for college admissions, I think it’s actually not as clear cut as you make it seem. It’s more indicative of an overzealous mom, and I know public school kids that do the same exact things for their kids down to mandarin, Spanish, chess, piano, tennis and expensive camps since kindergarten. If anything this is more of an indication of an over scheduled child, with a helicopter/snowplow parent. While it could be great exposure for a child, it’s not going to make them get into Harvard.

If indeed top 25 college is not important, why do you do all that to your child? Genuinely interested to know because I actually see it as counterproductive.


You are correct. You don’t understand my point.
The point is the child is immersed in privilege at all times, and in countless ways. They are socializing with other privileged kids, and forming bonds and connections.
They have 18 years of that before college.
Once they show up to college, they identify similar kids, because they have similar backgrounds and experiences. They self select together.
They start school with wealth and privilege and it just becomes exponential.


Nobody is disputing that some people have a privileged life, is there a follow up to this that’s relevant to the thread?

You seem to imply that the “exponential” privilege results in better admissions to college, or that the college admission to Top25 doesn't matter because they’re already wealthy, or that it’s the social network from meeting similarly privileged kids that is the recipe for success, which is very narrowly defined as more privilege and more wealth. I can’t tell what your point is because you make all these arguments in the same post.

Most of the educational experiences you mentioned are well within the reach of middle class. Foreign languages, chess, sports, camps etc, don’t strike me as particularly selective and hard to get. Private high schools of $50k tuition are a higher bar to clear, but again well within the reach of the upper middle class.


My point is that college acceptance doesn’t matter.


Essentially college admission doesn’t matter for people that don’t care about college admissions. Amazing insight!

Plenty of rich people actually care about developing their skills and following a successful career even when the money is secondary, in my experience that’s actually the norm.

For middle class, a good degree can easily put you in the top 5% of earners, so for them it does make a difference.

It’s still somewhat puzzling on why you bother with all the Spanish, mandarin, chess, golf, swimming for your kid, if as you say, is not for college.


What a strange question. You only want enrichment for your child, for college admission? That’s sad.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Between their inflated grades and $$ to do early decision (because they can pay), this system seems so rigged. Anyone else notice this?


Are we pretending public schools don't inflate grades. I can name several public schools that allow for unlimited test retakes, unlimited extra-credit, and have very low standards for getting an "A" on their essays.

I've known students that have gone through Sidwell/STA/NCS. The work that would get a "B" there would easily get an "A" in most publics.


How do you know that? Do you have any evidence that grading is more lenient in public than in private? Not saying it’s not possible but your argument derived from some students “you’ve known” has absolutely no value.


Because these schools will routinely get 90%+ of a class to a 5 on the AP exam and yet only give 10% of the class an A in the course.
It is not unusual to have 80 kids in a course and only give 5-8 A's as final grades.
It is quite typical to get a B or B+ and then a 5.


Exactly. This happens at the Catholic HSs too. But look at the public HS results - 70% of AP test takers get a 3, yet the average grade is an A. My kid got a B+ in AP class but a 5 on the exam.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Between their inflated grades and $$ to do early decision (because they can pay), this system seems so rigged. Anyone else notice this?


Are we pretending public schools don't inflate grades. I can name several public schools that allow for unlimited test retakes, unlimited extra-credit, and have very low standards for getting an "A" on their essays.

I've known students that have gone through Sidwell/STA/NCS. The work that would get a "B" there would easily get an "A" in most publics.


Not at our public. No retakes for tests, only limited assignments you are allowed to redo and no extra credit.


Tell me you are from Massachusetts, New York or NJ, but not DC, MD or NoVA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op it’s so much worse than you realize.
My kid goes to an elite ( not east coast ) private school.
Her summer camp is 10k
We belong to a country club.
She is 9 but can competently ride a horse.
She plays tennis and golf. She’s been in the chess club for 2 years. She wants to do fencing this year. She plays the piano and will start another instrument in fourth grade. She began Spanish and Mandarin in kindergarten.
And she’s in third grade.
She socializes with all kinds of kids because we pay a fortune so the school can afford to be diverse. Her bestie’s mom is a single parent nurse.
My completely obnoxious point is this…

College doesn’t matter.
For the families that are easily swallowing 40k a year for a country day school, a top 25 school isn’t important.
The fact that they are so over represented in college admissions is just another privilege added to the list.


Not sure I understand your point, unless you were just looking for an excuse to tell us you can afford many things. If you are saying that you pouring resources in your child’s education and extracurriculars will make them more competitive for college admissions, I think it’s actually not as clear cut as you make it seem. It’s more indicative of an overzealous mom, and I know public school kids that do the same exact things for their kids down to mandarin, Spanish, chess, piano, tennis and expensive camps since kindergarten. If anything this is more of an indication of an over scheduled child, with a helicopter/snowplow parent. While it could be great exposure for a child, it’s not going to make them get into Harvard.

If indeed top 25 college is not important, why do you do all that to your child? Genuinely interested to know because I actually see it as counterproductive.


You are correct. You don’t understand my point.
The point is the child is immersed in privilege at all times, and in countless ways. They are socializing with other privileged kids, and forming bonds and connections.
They have 18 years of that before college.
Once they show up to college, they identify similar kids, because they have similar backgrounds and experiences. They self select together.
They start school with wealth and privilege and it just becomes exponential.


Nobody is disputing that some people have a privileged life, is there a follow up to this that’s relevant to the thread?

You seem to imply that the “exponential” privilege results in better admissions to college, or that the college admission to Top25 doesn't matter because they’re already wealthy, or that it’s the social network from meeting similarly privileged kids that is the recipe for success, which is very narrowly defined as more privilege and more wealth. I can’t tell what your point is because you make all these arguments in the same post.

Most of the educational experiences you mentioned are well within the reach of middle class. Foreign languages, chess, sports, camps etc, don’t strike me as particularly selective and hard to get. Private high schools of $50k tuition are a higher bar to clear, but again well within the reach of the upper middle class.


My point is that college acceptance doesn’t matter.


Essentially college admission doesn’t matter for people that don’t care about college admissions. Amazing insight!

Plenty of rich people actually care about developing their skills and following a successful career even when the money is secondary, in my experience that’s actually the norm.

For middle class, a good degree can easily put you in the top 5% of earners, so for them it does make a difference.

It’s still somewhat puzzling on why you bother with all the Spanish, mandarin, chess, golf, swimming for your kid, if as you say, is not for college.


What a strange question. You only want enrichment for your child, for college admission? That’s sad.


What’s actually strange is to do so much for your kids education in kindergarten but then claim you don’t care about their college education because money.
Anonymous
Haven't read responses, but can you imagine paying for private high school for 12 years and an special college admissions advisor and tutors to get your kid into expensive Harvard only to find out he/she will be blacklisted for jobs once he/she graduates based on mobs he/she didn't even join?
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op it’s so much worse than you realize.
My kid goes to an elite ( not east coast ) private school.
Her summer camp is 10k
We belong to a country club.
She is 9 but can competently ride a horse.
She plays tennis and golf. She’s been in the chess club for 2 years. She wants to do fencing this year. She plays the piano and will start another instrument in fourth grade. She began Spanish and Mandarin in kindergarten.
And she’s in third grade.
She socializes with all kinds of kids because we pay a fortune so the school can afford to be diverse. Her bestie’s mom is a single parent nurse.
My completely obnoxious point is this…

College doesn’t matter.
For the families that are easily swallowing 40k a year for a country day school, a top 25 school isn’t important.
The fact that they are so over represented in college admissions is just another privilege added to the list.


Not sure I understand your point, unless you were just looking for an excuse to tell us you can afford many things. If you are saying that you pouring resources in your child’s education and extracurriculars will make them more competitive for college admissions, I think it’s actually not as clear cut as you make it seem. It’s more indicative of an overzealous mom, and I know public school kids that do the same exact things for their kids down to mandarin, Spanish, chess, piano, tennis and expensive camps since kindergarten. If anything this is more of an indication of an over scheduled child, with a helicopter/snowplow parent. While it could be great exposure for a child, it’s not going to make them get into Harvard.

If indeed top 25 college is not important, why do you do all that to your child? Genuinely interested to know because I actually see it as counterproductive.


You are correct. You don’t understand my point.
The point is the child is immersed in privilege at all times, and in countless ways. They are socializing with other privileged kids, and forming bonds and connections.
They have 18 years of that before college.
Once they show up to college, they identify similar kids, because they have similar backgrounds and experiences. They self select together.
They start school with wealth and privilege and it just becomes exponential.


Nobody is disputing that some people have a privileged life, is there a follow up to this that’s relevant to the thread?

You seem to imply that the “exponential” privilege results in better admissions to college, or that the college admission to Top25 doesn't matter because they’re already wealthy, or that it’s the social network from meeting similarly privileged kids that is the recipe for success, which is very narrowly defined as more privilege and more wealth. I can’t tell what your point is because you make all these arguments in the same post.

Most of the educational experiences you mentioned are well within the reach of middle class. Foreign languages, chess, sports, camps etc, don’t strike me as particularly selective and hard to get. Private high schools of $50k tuition are a higher bar to clear, but again well within the reach of the upper middle class.


My point is that college acceptance doesn’t matter.


Essentially college admission doesn’t matter for people that don’t care about college admissions. Amazing insight!

Plenty of rich people actually care about developing their skills and following a successful career even when the money is secondary, in my experience that’s actually the norm.

For middle class, a good degree can easily put you in the top 5% of earners, so for them it does make a difference.

It’s still somewhat puzzling on why you bother with all the Spanish, mandarin, chess, golf, swimming for your kid, if as you say, is not for college.


What a strange question. You only want enrichment for your child, for college admission? That’s sad.


What’s actually strange is to do so much for your kids education in kindergarten but then claim you don’t care about their college education because money.


That’s not strange at all. The average American pays more money for daycare than college tuition.
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