Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s puzzling to me how someone as intelligent and high achieving as her would be in so many relationships. Maybe she doesn’t want to settle down? Nothing wrong with that but the men she pursues, like Travis for example, clearly want to end up married and with kids.

I think she’s ready to settle down and have kids. I think she hasn’t found the right person to do that with yet.

She’s been dating artist types.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mama Kelce already throwing cold water on this relationship. I bet she wants her son to be with a regular hometown gal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12602115/Travis-Kelces-mom-Donna-seemingly-SHADES-Taylor-Swift-opens-like-meet-popstar-sons-games-okay.html

The clip was worse than I expected.

It's very awkward. I know fans and the NFL are just delighted by all of this, but I can't imagine being enthusiastic about a relationship like this if it was your son or daughter. No rational parent hopes their child has an extremely high profile romance with paparazzi everywhere and branding opportunities and a massive circus around everything they do. Even if your child is an adult who is a famous football player, you are hoping they find love and commitment and stability. Not whatever this is.

No rational parent hopes their child ends up in the NFL playing a deadly sport, either

Look, I wouldn't encourage my kid to play football, but the NFL is not deadly. The percent of players who have ever died playing the support is probably lower than a ton of other professions, including law and finance as well as physically dangerous professions like construction and deep sea fishing. LOTS of parents hope their kids wind up playing in the NFL and you know it.

But dating Taylor Swift sucks and most people recognize that. Mostly not her fault, but it is what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

But isn't that the reason she has so many fans? She writes the music and tells the stories her fans are afraid to actually live. So they live vicariously through her, and can "safely" experience what she actually experiences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

But isn't that the reason she has so many fans? She writes the music and tells the stories her fans are afraid to actually live. So they live vicariously through her, and can "safely" experience what she actually experiences.

Yeah. It makes for good music. But normally people have 1-2 experiences like that. When it becomes a pattern, and you’re in your mid thirties, generally it seems kind of unhealthy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mama Kelce already throwing cold water on this relationship. I bet she wants her son to be with a regular hometown gal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12602115/Travis-Kelces-mom-Donna-seemingly-SHADES-Taylor-Swift-opens-like-meet-popstar-sons-games-okay.html

The clip was worse than I expected.

It's very awkward. I know fans and the NFL are just delighted by all of this, but I can't imagine being enthusiastic about a relationship like this if it was your son or daughter. No rational parent hopes their child has an extremely high profile romance with paparazzi everywhere and branding opportunities and a massive circus around everything they do. Even if your child is an adult who is a famous football player, you are hoping they find love and commitment and stability. Not whatever this is.

Yep--look at Travis' brother. He has earned over 80 million in his career and has success in the NFL but he lives a pretty normal personal life...no paparazzi, stable quiet "normal" family life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

But isn't that the reason she has so many fans? She writes the music and tells the stories her fans are afraid to actually live. So they live vicariously through her, and can "safely" experience what she actually experiences.

Yeah. It makes for good music. But normally people have 1-2 experiences like that. When it becomes a pattern, and you’re in your mid thirties, generally it seems kind of unhealthy.

I agree, but that is for normal people, she isn’t normal. She has to grapple with what she wants and the constraints of fame. The irony is, she cultivated her fame through her parasocial relationships, so this is her house of cards. Hopefully for her, half her songs are pretend anyway!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

Watching your new guy play in a football game is not weird. Meeting and being friendly with his mom also is not weird. What’s weird is all the attention it’s getting. Did you see the people waiting to catch a glimpse of her as she left her house? No one should have to put up with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s puzzling to me how someone as intelligent and high achieving as her would be in so many relationships. Maybe she doesn’t want to settle down? Nothing wrong with that but the men she pursues, like Travis for example, clearly want to end up married and with kids.

Why is it puzzling? She’s been dating in the public eye for like 17 years; the number of relationships seems normal considering most were short flings when she was young.

She probably wants to get married but dating Taylor Swift must be difficult. Any man would have to give up living a normal, private life. Kind of like dating Will or Harry during their prime. It’s unappealing to most people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

Watching your new guy play in a football game is not weird. Meeting and being friendly with his mom also is not weird. What’s weird is all the attention it’s getting. Did you see the people waiting to catch a glimpse of her as she left her house? No one should have to put up with that.

It is objectively weird to meet the family of someone you’re casually dating after a couple of weeks, and then hug them like your best friends and have known each other forever.

Taylor would be worth a fraction of what she is if it weren’t for the attention she gets. Secondly, she successfully managed to stay out of the public eye for six years during her last relationship. If she wanted to be laying low, she would not be hanging out at the front of VIP box bringing her A-list friends with her to do the same. Taylor is not laying low at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s puzzling to me how someone as intelligent and high achieving as her would be in so many relationships. Maybe she doesn’t want to settle down? Nothing wrong with that but the men she pursues, like Travis for example, clearly want to end up married and with kids.

Why is it puzzling? She’s been dating in the public eye for like 17 years; the number of relationships seems normal considering most were short flings when she was young.

She probably wants to get married but dating Taylor Swift must be difficult. Any man would have to give up living a normal, private life. Kind of like dating Will or Harry during their prime. It’s unappealing to most people.

Ok, but they both got married. William married a normie who was marrying up in their partnership, and Harry… well, we all know what happened there. Suffice to say, neither of them ended up marrying British aristocracy, but they both somewhat realistically compromised and ended up married with families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a total outsider, her relationship with Joe seemed far more stable. they were private to a strange degree, which I imagine came from the difficulty of being with an extremely high profile partner.

But this relationship and Matty seem kind of unhinged… like 0 to 100 in a matter of weeks. The enthusiasm at games, the loathing “I love you” at the concerts. It’s like she wants to be in a serious relationship but doesn’t want to wait for it. So it comes off as kind of weird, like love bombing or desperation.

She’s Taylor swift. She can be whatever she wants… but her relationships seem super weird, her enthusiasm seems forced and awkward, and in a total 180 from her relationship with Joe, she seems to actively be seeking attention.

I think she feels a little freer now, so she just having fun. Joe was so low key she was repressing her fun self for him because he wanted to be very private.

I don’t think her having fun at football games with friends is her being totally serious about Kelce, I think she’s just having fun at football games. That’s what I would do at a football game.

I don’t know- she looks kind of manic to me. But I’m not a football person. And I didn’t realize she was either I guess? That’s what weird. Also bringing a bunch of friends, hugging Travis’ mom… it’s all weird. It’s like when she was 21 and bought a house in cape cod because she was dating a 19 year old kennedy grandchild. There is an intensity about her where she gets swept up in romances very quickly, and it doesn’t seem like a stable pattern.

Watching your new guy play in a football game is not weird. Meeting and being friendly with his mom also is not weird. What’s weird is all the attention it’s getting. Did you see the people waiting to catch a glimpse of her as she left her house? No one should have to put up with that.

She's not "putting up" with anything - she actively cultivates and invites this level of attention, and it's made her a multimillionaire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s puzzling to me how someone as intelligent and high achieving as her would be in so many relationships. Maybe she doesn’t want to settle down? Nothing wrong with that but the men she pursues, like Travis for example, clearly want to end up married and with kids.

Why is it puzzling? She’s been dating in the public eye for like 17 years; the number of relationships seems normal considering most were short flings when she was young.

She probably wants to get married but dating Taylor Swift must be difficult. Any man would have to give up living a normal, private life. Kind of like dating Will or Harry during their prime. It’s unappealing to most people.

Ok, but they both got married. William married a normie who was marrying up in their partnership, and Harry… well, we all know what happened there. Suffice to say, neither of them ended up marrying British aristocracy, but they both somewhat realistically compromised and ended up married with families.

All to say, if completely average people can compromise and get married, so can Taylor swift. She probably doesn’t want to compromise, so she keeps dating super famous guys who are either emotionally unavailable/threatened by her success/not willing to play second fiddle OR she is the problem in the relationship, not being able to trust people aren’t using her, unwilling to step back from the spotlight to have a private life/stable family, etc. in either scenario, she could date more normal, supportive men outside the celebrity box or if the problem is her, she can work through her issues in therapy. At her age, her level of accomplishment and with her dating history, if she’s not married by now it’s either because she doesn’t want to be, has a terrible picker, and/or has her own issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mama Kelce already throwing cold water on this relationship. I bet she wants her son to be with a regular hometown gal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12602115/Travis-Kelces-mom-Donna-seemingly-SHADES-Taylor-Swift-opens-like-meet-popstar-sons-games-okay.html

The clip was worse than I expected.

It's very awkward. I know fans and the NFL are just delighted by all of this, but I can't imagine being enthusiastic about a relationship like this if it was your son or daughter. No rational parent hopes their child has an extremely high profile romance with paparazzi everywhere and branding opportunities and a massive circus around everything they do. Even if your child is an adult who is a famous football player, you are hoping they find love and commitment and stability. Not whatever this is.

No rational parent hopes their child ends up in the NFL playing a deadly sport, either

Look, I wouldn't encourage my kid to play football, but the NFL is not deadly. The percent of players who have ever died playing the support is probably lower than a ton of other professions, including law and finance as well as physically dangerous professions like construction and deep sea fishing. LOTS of parents hope their kids wind up playing in the NFL and you know it.

But dating Taylor Swift sucks and most people recognize that. Mostly not her fault, but it is what it is.

Does it though? I can't even name that guy she was engaged to and was in a long term relationship with. They seemed to live a pretty low profile life in NYC. You rarely saw him photographed with her and she seems to be able to go out in NYC with her squad and people seem to leave her alone other than some photos of her coming and going, etc. which most celebrities get anyway. I think this relationship in particular is a bit of a circus because of her high profile attendance at the games. If she did indeed celebrate his bday with him in KC, so far no one has picked up on that. They were able to keep it on the DL.