$18 for a freakin’ B.L.T. sandwich? These cafes and restaurants have lost their minds

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Anonymous wrote:Cava is still decently priced for the amount of food you get. I usually order the falafel bowl with rice and greens and a lot of toppings. It’s $12.50 and I eat half for lunch and the rest for dinner.

Maybe it’s just the Cava location I go to but it seems like they are giving out less rice and greens than they used to. It’s really noticeable and when I’ve asked fir a little extra they reluctantly add an additional small amount. You’d think rice would be cheaper than the protein and toppings. I do the same as OP and eat half for lunch and save the rest but can’t do that with the smaller portion.

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Anonymous wrote:Cava is still decently priced for the amount of food you get. I usually order the falafel bowl with rice and greens and a lot of toppings. It’s $12.50 and I eat half for lunch and the rest for dinner.

Maybe it’s just the Cava location I go to but it seems like they are giving out less rice and greens than they used to. It’s really noticeable and when I’ve asked fir a little extra they reluctantly add an additional small amount. You’d think rice would be cheaper than the protein and toppings. I do the same as OP and eat half for lunch and save the rest but can’t do that with the smaller portion.

You’re not wrong. It’s all across-the-board their bowls used to be two meals but now they’re just one. I am the OP of the Cava black lentil recipe thread and the reason I’m looking for the recipe is because I’m no longer happy with the measly amount of food that they’re serving. I can make it much cheaper at home because their ingredients are not expensive to make and I can make a weeks worth of bowls, for probably the cost of 1 bowl at Cava.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t really get how fresh prepared food could cost less, tbh. I think the margins are razor thin.

Probably someone will come up with an ai or automation innovation that will change the labor math at some point, like what happened with the Automat and the McDonalds assembly method. I know Pret makes the sandwiches ahead but I don’t think that’s different enough to really dent the economics.

You’re paying $18 for a single BLT that you make in your own kitchen with grocery store ingredients? Sounds like someone who’s never ever cooked.

Well, why don't you factor in your labor and rent/mortgage costs, plus utilities? It's not just the ingredients you're paying for, obviously.

That’s the most absurd argument I’ve heard. Listen, restaurant owner. People are waking up to your ridiculous prices.

Oh, please. I work in media. But the idea you are only paying for ingredients is obviously false and you are dumb as a ham sandwich if you don’t see that.

The owner's overhead isn't my problem. If the chain next door has a fungible product for half the price, then they are getting my business. We're not talking about Brooklyn Delis. The Corner Bakery, Jersey Mikes, and Jimmy Johns are close enough to most lunch places and much cheaper

Haha. of course the owner's overhead is your problem! Do you think the overhead is not baked into the price of your meal at any of the chains you mention? It is, which means that the owner is skimping somewhere else, likely in the quality of the food. You've been trained to enjoy the taste of ground rat tail and pig anus, flavorless iceberg lettuce, and "cheese product."

Keep telling yourself that. I care about the price point and am fine not eating out if it’s too high. Look at all the restaurants going under if you think I’m an outlier

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You not eating out is a separate issue from the overhead being baked into the price. Which it is. For pretty much every business. This is not even debatable.

Sure and competitors have managed to keep prices down. Cava and Chopt are charging half what their mom and pop competitors charge

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Anonymous wrote:You have to pay the higher prices for the higher minimum wage. That’s it. You can’t pay more unless you collect more.

That’s fine, but the quality needs to be there as well. Food quality has been lacking so many places lately and orders constantly getting messed up. At some point the scale tips toward it just not being worth the price.

Cheap eats places will still do fine (there’s a Mediterranean place near us that has GIANT reasonably priced bowls of kebab meat, chick peas, rice, etc. which we’re happy to pay for because it’s good and there’s leftovers).

The fine dining places will do ok because those were always special occasions where you knew you’d blow some money. And the quality is mostly there.

It’s all these middle of the road places with just ok basic food, sub par service, and heightened prices that are in trouble. But honestly some of them should close. If their pre-pandemic business model was to rely on lowly paid labor, then that wasn’t really a success to begin with.

Agree with all of this. My family used to go out for dinner at a mid-price restaurant once a week, and now we never go to those places because while we can afford it, it simply isn't worth the cost.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t really get how fresh prepared food could cost less, tbh. I think the margins are razor thin.

Probably someone will come up with an ai or automation innovation that will change the labor math at some point, like what happened with the Automat and the McDonalds assembly method. I know Pret makes the sandwiches ahead but I don’t think that’s different enough to really dent the economics.

You’re paying $18 for a single BLT that you make in your own kitchen with grocery store ingredients? Sounds like someone who’s never ever cooked.

Well, why don't you factor in your labor and rent/mortgage costs, plus utilities? It's not just the ingredients you're paying for, obviously.

That’s the most absurd argument I’ve heard. Listen, restaurant owner. People are waking up to your ridiculous prices.

Oh, please. I work in media. But the idea you are only paying for ingredients is obviously false and you are dumb as a ham sandwich if you don’t see that.

The owner's overhead isn't my problem. If the chain next door has a fungible product for half the price, then they are getting my business. We're not talking about Brooklyn Delis. The Corner Bakery, Jersey Mikes, and Jimmy Johns are close enough to most lunch places and much cheaper

Haha. of course the owner's overhead is your problem! Do you think the overhead is not baked into the price of your meal at any of the chains you mention? It is, which means that the owner is skimping somewhere else, likely in the quality of the food. You've been trained to enjoy the taste of ground rat tail and pig anus, flavorless iceberg lettuce, and "cheese product."

Keep telling yourself that. I care about the price point and am fine not eating out if it’s too high. Look at all the restaurants going under if you think I’m an outlier

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You not eating out is a separate issue from the overhead being baked into the price. Which it is. For pretty much every business. This is not even debatable.

But one poster was trying to argue that a BLT at home would cost the same $18 because you have to account for your own rent and labor. That doesn’t make sense.

No, I'm saying that you can't compare a BLT you make at home with one made at a restaurant. You have to account for so many other costs at a restaurant, so of course the price will not be just the ingredients. If you were to account for your time and the cost of your home, it would be much higher.

Of course restaurant food will cost more because of labor prices. You are paying someone else to make food for you. It's always cheaper to eat the same food at home since my own personal labor is always free to me.

So make your BLT, then. But don't complain about how it's more expensive at a restaurant.

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

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And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

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And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

Well, yes, because she presumably has a job that requires specialized skills and a college degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Cava is still decently priced for the amount of food you get. I usually order the falafel bowl with rice and greens and a lot of toppings. It’s $12.50 and I eat half for lunch and the rest for dinner.

Maybe it’s just the Cava location I go to but it seems like they are giving out less rice and greens than they used to. It’s really noticeable and when I’ve asked fir a little extra they reluctantly add an additional small amount. You’d think rice would be cheaper than the protein and toppings. I do the same as OP and eat half for lunch and save the rest but can’t do that with the smaller portion.

I go to the one in the Montgomery mall food court and they are generous.

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

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And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

Well, yes, because she presumably has a job that requires specialized skills and a college degree.

If it’s a job that is needed (and if you want to eat out, you need cooks and servers), it deserves to have a living wage. No one is saying someone who makes sandwiches should make the same as an engineer or surgeon. But they should make enough so they can afford a studio apartment, a car, and health insurance.

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We stopped going out to eat because so many food industry staff began to look gross and unhygienic. Sorry, I simply don’t trust people to be around my food if they don’t care enough to look somewhat clean and presentable.

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

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And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

Well, yes, because she presumably has a job that requires specialized skills and a college degree.

If it’s a job that is needed (and if you want to eat out, you need cooks and servers), it deserves to have a living wage. No one is saying someone who makes sandwiches should make the same as an engineer or surgeon. But they should make enough so they can afford a studio apartment, a car, and health insurance.

NP I disagree with them having their own apartment and a car. A living wage should mean that TWO of these jobs should be able to own an apartment. People need to live with roommates.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t really get how fresh prepared food could cost less, tbh. I think the margins are razor thin.

Probably someone will come up with an ai or automation innovation that will change the labor math at some point, like what happened with the Automat and the McDonalds assembly method. I know Pret makes the sandwiches ahead but I don’t think that’s different enough to really dent the economics.

You’re paying $18 for a single BLT that you make in your own kitchen with grocery store ingredients? Sounds like someone who’s never ever cooked.

Well, why don't you factor in your labor and rent/mortgage costs, plus utilities? It's not just the ingredients you're paying for, obviously.

That’s the most absurd argument I’ve heard. Listen, restaurant owner. People are waking up to your ridiculous prices.

Oh, please. I work in media. But the idea you are only paying for ingredients is obviously false and you are dumb as a ham sandwich if you don’t see that.

The owner's overhead isn't my problem. If the chain next door has a fungible product for half the price, then they are getting my business. We're not talking about Brooklyn Delis. The Corner Bakery, Jersey Mikes, and Jimmy Johns are close enough to most lunch places and much cheaper

Haha. of course the owner's overhead is your problem! Do you think the overhead is not baked into the price of your meal at any of the chains you mention? It is, which means that the owner is skimping somewhere else, likely in the quality of the food. You've been trained to enjoy the taste of ground rat tail and pig anus, flavorless iceberg lettuce, and "cheese product."

Keep telling yourself that. I care about the price point and am fine not eating out if it’s too high. Look at all the restaurants going under if you think I’m an outlier

Fine, don't go out to eat. But don't act like you're entitled to dine out wherever you want at the price you think is reasonable (it isn't).

The discussion hasn’t really been people feeling entitled to eat out at the price point they want. It’s more feeling the price isn’t worth it so people are opting out of restaurant dining altogether. If business owners are smart they’ll notice trends in patronage decreasing and not try to comp with higher prices to make up for it (thereby pushing more diners away).

The restaurant we eat most is a local pizza place that is constantly running specials and allows loyalty rewards so we’re always earning free apps or a few bucks off. Plus they have easy curbside pickup meaning I save on delivery fees.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids in their 20s and DINKs will pay $18 for sandwiches, and these stores will be fine. The older generation will bring lunches from home, just like older people always did.

There has to be a tipping point. I don’t even think about money, so if I’m double-taking at lunch it’s got to impacting decisions of less affluent. I think many cafes and restaurants might have fewer customers due to WFH, so they are gouging those who remain. It’s not sustainable.

Take it from a Gen X or who has been around the block a few times. Y’all got a vote with your wallets.

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

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And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

Well, yes, because she presumably has a job that requires specialized skills and a college degree.

If it’s a job that is needed (and if you want to eat out, you need cooks and servers), it deserves to have a living wage. No one is saying someone who makes sandwiches should make the same as an engineer or surgeon. But they should make enough so they can afford a studio apartment, a car, and health insurance.

NP I disagree with them having their own apartment and a car. A living wage should mean that TWO of these jobs should be able to own an apartment. People need to live with roommates.

So what is a single parent supposed to do? I can see how in some areas, you might be making a choice between a less-expensive place further out, in which case you either need good public transportation or a car, and a more-expensive place near your job, but people deserve housing, healthcare, and food.

And considering the cost of education and training, it's not reasonable to require it for a living wage.

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Anonymous wrote:We pretty much stopped eating out because restaurant prices are crazy expensive.

+1
And I'm consistently disappointed with what we get for the inflated prices.

Exactly. My humble $18 B.L.T. looked just like a normal sandwich anyone could quickly make at home. It wasn’t like a sky high volume of premium bacon or anything exotic on it. Total rip-off.

I just made a BLT at home for dinner and it probably cost all of $4.50, even buying the "good" bacon. I made my own bread, too. It was delicious.

No way am I going to pay a more than 300% mark up on an extremely basic sandwich just because someone else assembled it for me. People need to start just walking away from these prices. It used to be that even at a place with $15 sandwiches, you could get a BLT, grilled cheese with bacon, or cheese and tomato sandwich for less than $10, because obviously these sandwiches have relatively cheap ingredients and are easy to make. This is 100% a deli saying "let's charge $18 for this and just see what happens -- if they still pay it, we can double our profit margin on them." So don't pay it!

Welcome to the cost of "living wages" for unskilled jobs. Jobs like these were never intended to support a person or family on. I understand that many of these people are supporting themselves and/or family on these jobs, but the wage scale should not be designed around that.

But what do you expect businesses to do when you have increased the hourly wage from $7.25/hr to $17.00/hr and current statistics have not yet caught up to pre-pandemic mode. Additionally, the businesses are paying for the 6-7% inflation and all of the ingredients and supplies they purpose are costing more. You expect businesses to operate in the red and eat those costs? Of course not. Their costs have gone up about 250%, so eateries are passing those cost increases on to the customer.

So you deserve a living wage, but not these workers?

Well, yes, because she presumably has a job that requires specialized skills and a college degree.

So any job that doesn't require a college degree doesn't deserve a living wage?