Americans at high risk advised to wear masks as new Covid variant detected

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

you just said it’s not about individual behaviors and you’re quizzing me about what individual behaviors I am willing to do “for us, as a society”? Clearly you are talking about individual behaviors in service of a nebulous idea of “society” and “safety.” I’m sorry but the propaganda based arguments re covid lost their hold on me a long time ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

+10000 wish I could give you an award for this post. You summed up my thoughts much more eloquently than I can.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

NP but NOTHING. I’m not doing any Covid rituals anymore, along with the rest of the world. Those who are that severely vulnerable need to do what they need to do, just as they did pre Covid. Because, there have and will always be nasty flu strains going around that would do as much harm to a person like this as Covid would. Society is not going to cater to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

You’re the weirdo afraid of the air. JFC get some help

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that there are so many people who are only immunocompromised when it comes to the covid virus.

No, we have issues with colds and flu as well. Sadly, you would know as those of us with serious issues mostly stay home and at this point I have to even limit things like medical care as my doctors don’t mask and see sick patients every morning. We don’t have doctor choice so I sometimes have to private pay but it’s not affordable to do it a few times a month which I need so I just go without the care I need. Last time I was at the doctor for my kid I picked up a bad cold. It took weeks and multiple rounds of antibiotics and steroids to get me through it.

So, if you’re a person who is sensitive to many viruses and have always (before 2020) worn an N95 and limited contact with others, this isn’t directed at you.

But the fact remains that there is a whole segment of the population that freak out about Covid and want everyone restricted but, don’t care about any other virus.

No one is restricting anything. People would like others to be decent and stay home when sick. How is that unreasonable? So, because you cannot do something as simple as that, my life sucks and I basically rarely can leave home because I cannot risk someone like you sharing what ever the current illness is with me.

You’re not saying that. You’re saying you want people to stay home based on the mere chance that they might still be sick. And you want people to broadly wear masks— presumably everyone, due to the high rates of asymptomatic infections— apparently because you can’t be expected to wear PPE correctly.

I'm still very confused about how you lived before covid. Particularly during the winter. Logically you would have similarly locked yourself down, except then I don't think you'd be so fixated on this in the special case of covid.

In medical settings everyone who can should be masking. The CDC just advised people at high risk to mask. One way masking helps but it's also the germs on the surface that are unavoidable and at the doctor, usually they ask you to take off your mask when they are checking the ears and throat. Last physical for my child, I got really sick going into the office. The doctor was annoyed when my kid questioned them if it was a good idea for them to unmask as the doctor wasn't masked and right up in their face.

I have been locked down since covid started. I have no other choice.

However, the point of this thread is basic precautions per the CDC recommendations.

Based on your apparently severe health conditions, I assume you were locked down before covid, right? It doesn’t sound like covid is a unique health risk to you. So I don’t understand why you’ve had a difficult adjustment.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

NP but NOTHING. I’m not doing any Covid rituals anymore, along with the rest of the world. Those who are that severely vulnerable need to do what they need to do, just as they did pre Covid. Because, there have and will always be nasty flu strains going around that would do as much harm to a person like this as Covid would. Society is not going to cater to you.

Like the PP, your answer is that you are good with excluding these folks, on pain of further disability or death for them.

The idea that you speak for all of Earth for all time is not inevitable.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

You’re the weirdo afraid of the air. JFC get some help

Ad hominem attacks don’t answer the question either.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

you just said it’s not about individual behaviors and you’re quizzing me about what individual behaviors I am willing to do “for us, as a society”? Clearly you are talking about individual behaviors in service of a nebulous idea of “society” and “safety”.

No, I am asking you whether there is any policy whatsoever to reduce the spread of COVID, especially to vulnerable people, that you’d support.

Your attempt to distract from the fact that you can’t/don’t want to answer that question is leading to absurdity like discussing transportation options.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

NP but NOTHING. I’m not doing any Covid rituals anymore, along with the rest of the world. Those who are that severely vulnerable need to do what they need to do, just as they did pre Covid. Because, there have and will always be nasty flu strains going around that would do as much harm to a person like this as Covid would. Society is not going to cater to you.

Like the PP, your answer is that you are good with excluding these folks, on pain of further disability or death for them.

The idea that you speak for all of Earth for all time is not inevitable.

why do you drive instead of take the bus?? you must hate everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

you just said it’s not about individual behaviors and you’re quizzing me about what individual behaviors I am willing to do “for us, as a society”? Clearly you are talking about individual behaviors in service of a nebulous idea of “society” and “safety”.

No, I am asking you whether there is any policy whatsoever to reduce the spread of COVID, especially to vulnerable people, that you’d support.

Your attempt to distract from the fact that you can’t/don’t want to answer that question is leading to absurdity like discussing transportation options.

Well I’m a big fan of vaccine/therepeutic development. But no, I am not going to do things that are significant burdens with little/no benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that there are so many people who are only immunocompromised when it comes to the covid virus.

What are you even talking about? I'm immunocompromised and that puts me at higher risk for Covid and other infections too.

There is also a specific list of conditions that put people at high risk for Covid specifically. It's right on the CDC website.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that there are so many people who are only immunocompromised when it comes to the covid virus.

What are you even talking about? I'm immunocompromised and that puts me at higher risk for Covid and other infections too.

There is also a specific list of conditions that put people at high risk for Covid specifically. It's right on the CDC website.

OK, then you should have plenty of experience from before covid protecting yourself from infectious diseases without relying on others to change their daily behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that there are so many people who are only immunocompromised when it comes to the covid virus.

What are you even talking about? I'm immunocompromised and that puts me at higher risk for Covid and other infections too.

There is also a specific list of conditions that put people at high risk for Covid specifically. It's right on the CDC website.

So, you’ve been taking precautions for years and years and this new covid variant doesn’t matter to you because you were taking the same precautions last week, last month, last year, last decade?

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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it.

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to?

I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking.

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.

you just said it’s not about individual behaviors and you’re quizzing me about what individual behaviors I am willing to do “for us, as a society”? Clearly you are talking about individual behaviors in service of a nebulous idea of “society” and “safety”.

No, I am asking you whether there is any policy whatsoever to reduce the spread of COVID, especially to vulnerable people, that you’d support.

Your attempt to distract from the fact that you can’t/don’t want to answer that question is leading to absurdity like discussing transportation options.

I’d personally support insurance coverage for actual N95 masks for immunocompromised people.

But not those paper KN95 made in China paper masks with all the gaps.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing to me that there are so many people who are only immunocompromised when it comes to the covid virus.

What are you even talking about? I'm immunocompromised and that puts me at higher risk for Covid and other infections too.

There is also a specific list of conditions that put people at high risk for Covid specifically. It's right on the CDC website.

The point is there are a lot of people who became covidians and completely transformed their life because of Covid. They say they are immunocompromised but we never heard anything about this pre-Covid. They lived a normal life including during flu season. Never noticed them being sick frequently, didn’t wear a mask 24-7. Then Covid comes around and they all of a sudden have this health condition and talk about it frequently when Covid comes up in conversation. It doesn’t make any sense and I think they simply have anxiety.