“Worst hiring environment for HBS students since 2009”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Not the PP you are responding to. I'm 35 and I consider 26 year olds to be kids. Gen Z is full of entitled, coddled kids. I work at a FAANG and my intern has already requested that I connect them with every intern in the bank prior to their first day. It's Gen Z's world. We're just living in it.

Millennials are way worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

I see literally nothing wrong with any of that that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

WTF? You think someone is only an adult if they’re married, own a house & have kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

Why would someone who lives in Manhattan own a car?

[Anonymous]

PP sounds very jealous of her nephew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last month the crimson had a damning article on hbs

https://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-postgraduate-way-of-life/article/2023/4/7/yepes-harvard-business-networking/

It couldn’t happen to a better group

It is clear that this article was written by an idealistic, inexperienced young person. Fairly worthless article with a ridiculous conclusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

WTF? You think someone is only an adult if they’re married, own a house & have kids?

Yes!

Graduate college,
Get a good job
Get married
Buy house
Have kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Kids need to learn that life has ups and downs and it's not all laid out for them like a platter of food.

Time to be humbled and take that wait staff job.

Right??! It’s so rich (ha) to expect us to feel sorry that these kids training to be capitalist masters now face the downside of the free market. Like literally, zero sympathy. Particularly to the PE choads whose entire business model is to take over companies, strip the equity, and fire people. Nope, not even getting my tiny violin out for these baby vultures.

If your kid took out $300k in student loans for an HBS MBA, and was promised the world in return, you’d have sympathy.

No one at a top 6 b school is taking out $300k of loans.
Non traditional students or URMs get massive aid, and the “traditional” students came from Ku strive industries during a bull market, plus they all I bc eat their income and bonuses and knew they were volatile bonuses.

It’s also common knowledge that you can take out large govt Grad Plus loans, day trade it all 4 semesters, never accrue interest or have to make a payment until a couple months after you graduate, then graduate and pay the entire principle off and keep the returns.

Grad Plus loans accrue interest while you’re in school, and they go straight to the school’s bursar’s office to cover tuition.

Stafford loans don’t, that’s what people would get first anyhow if they have to get student debt. Or want to day trade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

WTF? You think someone is only an adult if they’re married, own a house & have kids?

Yes!

Graduate college,
Get a good job
Get married
Buy house
Have kids.

Absolutely not. Only being over 18 & supporting yourself financially are markers of adulthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

WG and HBS both have 800 student classes. Gsb has 380-400. This is common knowledge to applicants. No one’s “letting in more and starts adding dumber ones.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Kids need to learn that life has ups and downs and it's not all laid out for them like a platter of food.

Time to be humbled and take that wait staff job.

Right??! It’s so rich (ha) to expect us to feel sorry that these kids training to be capitalist masters now face the downside of the free market. Like literally, zero sympathy. Particularly to the PE choads whose entire business model is to take over companies, strip the equity, and fire people. Nope, not even getting my tiny violin out for these baby vultures.

If your kid took out $300k in student loans for an HBS MBA, and was promised the world in return, you’d have sympathy.

No one at a top 6 b school is taking out $300k of loans.
Non traditional students or URMs get massive aid, and the “traditional” students came from Ku strive industries during a bull market, plus they all I bc eat their income and bonuses and knew they were volatile bonuses.

It’s also common knowledge that you can take out large govt Grad Plus loans, day trade it all 4 semesters, never accrue interest or have to make a payment until a couple months after you graduate, then graduate and pay the entire principle off and keep the returns.

Grad Plus loans accrue interest while you’re in school, and they go straight to the school’s bursar’s office to cover tuition.

Stafford loans don’t, that’s what people would get first anyhow if they have to get student debt. Or want to day trade

Yes they do; only small portions of them don’t if you qualify based on your FAFSA EFC. And they’re only for undergrad. The money goes straight to your college’s bursars office to cover tuition (and if you qualify for the subsidized portion, you’re unlikely to be in a position to pay tuition without the loan).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

WTF? You think someone is only an adult if they’re married, own a house & have kids?

Yes!

Graduate college,
Get a good job
Get married
Buy house
Have kids.

Ludicrous. There are millions of number of happy, wealthy, single, childfree adults.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

Are we referring to 26 year olds as “kids” now?

Well if they stay on mom's health insurance until they are kicked off at 26...yeah, kids.

Yes. My 29 year old nephew who lives in upper east side rental in Manhattan with roommates, does not own car, does not own a place, does not have a girlfriend still goes to dive bars and still shows up at family weddings with gift as mommy puts from family and does not send out holiday cars as mommy puts and family is a “child”

At 39 when married, his own house, 2-3 kids, owning two cars, hosting Thanksgiving etc., giving his own check at weddings mailing out own holiday card etc. he will be an adult.

I mean right now at 29 if laid off he sublets his apt share and moves home with mommy and daddy. 30 is fast approaching and who knows when he stops being a kid

WTF? You think someone is only an adult if they’re married, own a house & have kids?

Yes!

Graduate college,
Get a good job
Get married
Buy house
Have kids.

You have a very narrow view of “adulthood.” For starters, almost nobody who lives in NYC/Manhattan owns a car or lives in a “house.” Most people there live with roommates. And there are many infertile, widowed & divorced individuals.

But I know you wish it was 1900 and that only married men with property could vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Won't most go back to the jobs they came from?

I'm adjacent to this world but not in it so might be a little off, but here's what I have been hearing. HBS lets in a ton of kids (HLS does too) compared to other top business schools, even more than Wharton which is huge and pulls significantly from the Penn med and law schools, among other dual degree candidates. You'll see a lot of underemployed HLS grads compared to some of the more practical T10s because of this; they are letting in a lot of kids from alternative tracks. Those kids can get a mediocre position at a reputable place in a bull market, but they'll struggle in this market.

But does this actually matter? The brilliant ones (whether academically, attractiveness or charisma) are fine, the top jobs are still there for them, and the other people are rich, so they will do great. However, the people who thought they could 'make it' without actually being brilliant or rich? Reality is here for them. If you don't have 'it,' you're not going to 'make it' in the sense that climbers want.

WG and HBS both have 800 student classes. Gsb has 380-400. This is common knowledge to applicants. No one’s “letting in more and starts adding dumber ones.”

Obviously not. You completely missed the point.