Child told to walk last in line for final quarter

[Anonymous]

As a parent I wish I could support teachers more in being stricter. I'm sick of moms like OP undermining teachers at every chance they get. I've been in my kids' classrooms and it's a ZOO. Teaching kids is very very hard because they're all so behind, but first they have to sit in their seats quietly and get to the learning part and it's a struggle. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'd vote for longer school hours with 3x more recess to get the wiggles out. I love strict teachers and wish I could sign my kids up for them.

I also think positive parenting is somewhat to blame for this too. I'm not sure if it's positive parenting or the way that parents are implementing it that's incorrect. There are authority figures that must be obeyed. The teacher or the police or the lifeguard don't need to earn your respect. No, they need obeyed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent I wish I could support teachers more in being stricter. I'm sick of moms like OP undermining teachers at every chance they get. I've been in my kids' classrooms and it's a ZOO. Teaching kids is very very hard because they're all so behind, but first they have to sit in their seats quietly and get to the learning part and it's a struggle. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'd vote for longer school hours with 3x more recess to get the wiggles out. I love strict teachers and wish I could sign my kids up for them.

I also think positive parenting is somewhat to blame for this too. I'm not sure if it's positive parenting or the way that parents are implementing it that's incorrect. There are authority figures that must be obeyed. The teacher or the police or the lifeguard don't need to earn your respect. No, they need obeyed.

My youngest has a strict teacher this year. It is so nice. The kids were out of control last year and it was terrible. This year, the teacher keeps them in line and they are learning so much. She would not hesitate to give this consequence. It is logical and related to the infraction. I wish more teachers were like her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I too, feel like it is grossly unfair and humiliating to face the consequences of my own actions, especially if I am repeatedly breaking the rules. I should be allowed to do whatever I want at all times and anyone who dares call me out on it is unfairly targeting me! Any consequence is demeaning and inhumane! When a cop gives me a ticket for speeding, they should be the one punished!

You joke but this stuff is happening to cops too. It's like some huge breakdown in society and I think it starts from how we parent our kids (or don't parent, in the case of OP)

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Anonymous wrote:I too, feel like it is grossly unfair and humiliating to face the consequences of my own actions, especially if I am repeatedly breaking the rules. I should be allowed to do whatever I want at all times and anyone who dares call me out on it is unfairly targeting me! Any consequence is demeaning and inhumane! When a cop gives me a ticket for speeding, they should be the one punished!

You joke but this stuff is happening to cops too. It's like some huge breakdown in society and I think it starts from how we parent our kids (or don't parent, in the case of OP)

Cops do a lot of stuff they shouldn’t but I will definitely reinforce with my kids that you comply in the moment. Take up your complaints later.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.

Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.

I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.

And people wonder why there is a teacher shortage.

It's the pay.

[Anonymous]

If my kid got a punishment like this, I'd make my kid write an apology letter and I'd make an appointment with the teacher and kid to make the kid feel super in trouble. Talk it out in front of the kid- what's been wrong, what's expected going forward (from the back of the line). Just a different perspective, OP. I certainly would not question the teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.

Sad indeed that her child my have mental health problems, escalated by this treatment. Then will you be sad and say that we need to do more to recognized mental health issues in today's kids? Or just write on other strings and offer your condolences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.

Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.

I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.

And people wonder why there is a teacher shortage.

It's the pay.

NP. I don't think so. I would have loved to have gone into teaching. I felt like the nonstop testing and disciplinary issues were more than I could handle.

Haven't you looked on the job boards? So many women are looking for part time work that runs 8-3:30 or 8-4 with summers off. We'd take paycuts for those hours (although my kids' teacher makes similar to me...). Those hours and summers off are like unicorn schedules. We basically have a drag out fight at my work when Christmas Eve is on a weekday. We ALL want it off and can't have it off. To get that whole week off would be lovely.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.

Sad indeed that her child my have mental health problems, escalated by this treatment. Then will you be sad and say that we need to do more to recognized mental health issues in today's kids? Or just write on other strings and offer your condolences.

What? WHAT? Are you insane? You think facing the consequences of your actions is what? Going to traumatize this poor student? Give them PTSD? And that because the child 'may' be traumatized by very reasonable consequences, your solution is to give no consequences, not intense therapy to help this child get past the trauma of living in a society? That's what you're saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Agreed. I have an exuberant and quirky girl. I love her to death. But guess what, she has to learn how to function in society. And in the wrong context exuberance is rude. She has to learn when it's okay to let it hang out and when it is not. No one has an inherent right to be rude based on their flamboyant personality. Give me a break.

I agree as well and I have a silly and chatty daughter and I was the silly and chatty kid. I'm still chatty and no one has squashed my personality in the least. They need to learn when it's okay and when it's not okay. Because sometimes it's really not the right time. And there are times in the day when it's allowed and perfectly okay too. It's pretty easy to see why walking in the halls during the school day is not the time and place to break out the chatty and silly.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.

Sad indeed that her child my have mental health problems, escalated by this treatment. Then will you be sad and say that we need to do more to recognized mental health issues in today's kids? Or just write on other strings and offer your condolences.

Part of the reason these kids are crippled with anxiety is because they have no resilience and they have parents who try to prevent them from experiencing anything difficult or negative. It's okay OP's kid felt bad. It really is. Kids need to have negative feelings and work through them and learn how to manage them. Sure it can give a person mental health issues to bottle up negative feelings. But clearly OP's kid ran home and told her mom all about it, which is a good thing. The job as a parent is not to make the bad feelings go away or put a stop to situations that cause the feelings but to help the kid process and learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.

Sad indeed that her child my have mental health problems, escalated by this treatment. Then will you be sad and say that we need to do more to recognized mental health issues in today's kids? Or just write on other strings and offer your condolences.

Part of the reason these kids are crippled with anxiety is because they have no resilience and they have parents who try to prevent them from experiencing anything difficult or negative. It's okay OP's kid felt bad. It really is. Kids need to have negative feelings and work through them and learn how to manage them. Sure it can give a person mental health issues to bottle up negative feelings. But clearly OP's kid ran home and told her mom all about it, which is a good thing. The job as a parent is not to make the bad feelings go away or put a stop to situations that cause the feelings but to help the kid process and learn.

+100 I don't understand how these parents expect their child to learn anything if they are coddled and treated as victims when they do something wrong. If you break a rule, there are consequences. It's better that your child learns this for something mundane like talking out of turn rather than when they older and its something like drunk driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

what grade is your DC?

[Anonymous]

Kids are SO annoying these days and it's because parents don't keep them accountable for their behavior. I guarantee your kid didn't talk one time and get this consequence. That teacher has asked them over and over and OVER again to be quiet and they just don't care. So maybe now they'll care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent I wish I could support teachers more in being stricter. I'm sick of moms like OP undermining teachers at every chance they get. I've been in my kids' classrooms and it's a ZOO. Teaching kids is very very hard because they're all so behind, but first they have to sit in their seats quietly and get to the learning part and it's a struggle. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'd vote for longer school hours with 3x more recess to get the wiggles out. I love strict teachers and wish I could sign my kids up for them.

I also think positive parenting is somewhat to blame for this too. I'm not sure if it's positive parenting or the way that parents are implementing it that's incorrect. There are authority figures that must be obeyed. The teacher or the police or the lifeguard don't need to earn your respect. No, they need obeyed.

I always requested strict teachers. My son needed one reminder and then a quick consequence. If he got that, his behavior improved significantly.