Neighbor is unmediated schizophrenic; anything to do?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.


+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.


No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.


PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)


A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?


Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.


Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?


I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.


So the answer is no.


The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.


No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.


You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.


I was having no difficulty understanding that you were engaged in obfuscation. Of course physicians’ opinions would be relevant. The opinion of someone who has merely visited these facilities ain’t that.


I told you I work in the specoal education field. Yes, my work involves teens and adults who require long-term instotutional and/or group home and psychiatric care.
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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what apologists for calling the cops want to ignore:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joshua-mclemore-...ckson-county-indiana


I'm not an apologist in the slightest. This guy should've sought treatment. Sad way to go but hopefully he did not cause harm to others.

Again, I would call the police, OP.


My god you are either heartless and amoral or you are a moron. A floridly psychotic schizophrenic cannot seek treatment without help, and certainly not while locked in a cold jail sell for days and days while his jailers watch him starve to death.

Those jailers, every one of them should suffer in this life. I only wish karma actually worked that way.


He should've sought treatment before he got to that point. This guy was clearly a lost cause. I don't condone the fact that the left him in the cell but he was clearly not well. I honestly do not think that there is a place in society for people at this level. They are too violent and dangerous.
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Fairfax County DP who just went thru this 4 months ago with a neighbor, who seems to have either had his break or stopped taking medication after his mother died a year ago.

He started standing in street and shouting insults at people, including my elderly parents when they came to dinner. Would also howl late at night, post threatening odd messages in neighborhood social media.

In his case the house is paid off but his parents are dead. Local family ignores the situation, wants others to handle. Our HOA did visit, got country crisis team as well. He spent 3 weeks away in treatment facilities, is back and seems better.
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For everyone posting that they have mentally ill family, ask yourself if believe your family member is living their best life talking to themselves and howling in their backyard all day. The reason this is disturbing is because its sad to see someone living this way.

How much help this man would actually receive is questionable, but I would begin taking steps to alert mental health services in Fairfax County. This family is probably doing their best, but more support is needed. People would not tolerate a dog outside crying all day in a neighbor's lawn so I am not sure why another human should be allowed to be in so much pain and ignored by all.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone posting that they have mentally ill family, ask yourself if believe your family member is living their best life talking to themselves and howling in their backyard all day. The reason this is disturbing is because its sad to see someone living this way.

How much help this man would actually receive is questionable, but I would begin taking steps to alert mental health services in Fairfax County. This family is probably doing their best, but more support is needed. People would not tolerate a dog outside crying all day in a neighbor's lawn so I am not sure why another human should be allowed to be in so much pain and ignored by all.


+1 I agree
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone posting that they have mentally ill family, ask yourself if believe your family member is living their best life talking to themselves and howling in their backyard all day. The reason this is disturbing is because its sad to see someone living this way.

How much help this man would actually receive is questionable, but I would begin taking steps to alert mental health services in Fairfax County. This family is probably doing their best, but more support is needed. People would not tolerate a dog outside crying all day in a neighbor's lawn so I am not sure why another human should be allowed to be in so much pain and ignored by all.


You need to educate yourself about what is going on in jails and psychiatric facilities and consider whether that is anyone's "best life." Yes, how much help he will receive is "questionable." That is why you don't call the police on a person in this situation.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.


+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.


No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.


PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)


A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?


Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.


Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?


I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.


So the answer is no.


The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.


No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.


You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.


I was having no difficulty understanding that you were engaged in obfuscation. Of course physicians’ opinions would be relevant. The opinion of someone who has merely visited these facilities ain’t that.


I told you I work in the specoal education field. Yes, my work involves teens and adults who require long-term instotutional and/or group home and psychiatric care.


That's great. It has nothing to do with your qualifications for having an opinion about what anyone else should be forced to do because you think it's a "better life" than the life they are living now.

If your services and proposed course of treatment can't be made attractive enough to draw these folks in voluntarily, and keep them there, you have a model that is either going to require an even bigger carceral state to achieve or you have a model that will never work. Maybe both.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.


+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.


No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.


PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)


A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?


Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.


Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?


I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.


So the answer is no.


The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.


No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.


You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.


I was having no difficulty understanding that you were engaged in obfuscation. Of course physicians’ opinions would be relevant. The opinion of someone who has merely visited these facilities ain’t that.


I told you I work in the specoal education field. Yes, my work involves teens and adults who require long-term instotutional and/or group home and psychiatric care.


That's great. It has nothing to do with your qualifications for having an opinion about what anyone else should be forced to do because you think it's a "better life" than the life they are living now.

If your services and proposed course of treatment can't be made attractive enough to draw these folks in voluntarily, and keep them there, you have a model that is either going to require an even bigger carceral state to achieve or you have a model that will never work. Maybe both.


I'm not going to argue with you about my qualifications or the need for some individuals to have decisions made for them.
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Anonymous wrote:OP unfortunately you all probably just need to secure your homes and not let your kids roam unsupervised for the time being.


Yep. Move or keep your kids indoors. Have them play at a nearby playground or whatever.
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Individuals with schizophrenia are 4 to 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes, such as assault and homicide [4,5], and 4 to 6 times more likely to exhibit general aggressive behavior, such as verbal and physical threats [10,11], compared with the general population.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6852683/

I'm not seeing the evidence for there being no danger here. It certainly seems rational and borne out by the above statistics. Quoting platitudes about statistics that lump all mental illnesses together, like someone with mild depression or anxiety is similar to a paranoid schizophrenic, is not helpful.

My brother went to high school with three unrelated guys who developed paranoid schizophrenia after graduation. Two of the three killed other people in the midst of delusions and are locked up at Clifton T. Perkins. I don't see why OP is being attacked for being concerned about this neighbor's behavior.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone posting that they have mentally ill family, ask yourself if believe your family member is living their best life talking to themselves and howling in their backyard all day. The reason this is disturbing is because its sad to see someone living this way.

How much help this man would actually receive is questionable, but I would begin taking steps to alert mental health services in Fairfax County. This family is probably doing their best, but more support is needed. People would not tolerate a dog outside crying all day in a neighbor's lawn so I am not sure why another human should be allowed to be in so much pain and ignored by all.


I posted pages back about my brother and told them to call the police if he’s violating a noise ordinance or a danger. No, no one in that situation is living their best life. I also described our history and how we called the police several times but have been unable to get our family member any help. You never stop trying but it’s close to impossible to get any help if the person is not willing.
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Anonymous wrote:Nothing an outside third party can do but obviously you should take steps to ensure the safety of your home. Fence, dog, alarm, etc. Part of the problem with schizophrenics is they may come to believe you mean them some kind of harm....


Seriously go F yourself. They are not a danger to anyone but themselves, they aren’t organized enough to break into your effing house. You are perpetuating damaging myths about something you don’t understand. I wish there were fences, dogs and alarms against aholes like you.
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Anonymous wrote:screaming in public probably qualifies as "public disorder"


Again. What do you think the response of the Montgomery County, MD police to this will be?


I think it will be an arrest for "public disorder"



In our neighborhood, the individual with mental illness screaming in the streets rarely gets arrested. The police have been called many times to no avail. However, the calls and police reports are a good way to document the ongoing issue. He was eventually arrested for making violent threats and the history of calls led helped to demonstrate the pattern of events.

So, call if you feel that you need do. File a complaint, report, or what have you. Hopefully, it will raise red flags when needed.


You voted for politicians who back the “defund the police” movement.

Now you still expect the police to show up like they used to? You expect the police to do a good job??

Unbelievable.

Go solve your own problems. You made this bed.


? Why would they get arrested? They need medical treatment not a criminal arrest. Police are trained to know the difference stop wasting their time. Bunch of dicks on here.
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Anonymous wrote:OP unfortunately you all probably just need to secure your homes and not let your kids roam unsupervised for the time being.


Yep. Move or keep your kids indoors. Have them play at a nearby playground or whatever.


Yes, please please move and “secure your kids” so the rest of us don’t have to be exposed to you.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.


+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.


No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.


PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)


A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?


Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.


Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?


I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.


So the answer is no.


The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.


No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.


You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.


I was having no difficulty understanding that you were engaged in obfuscation. Of course physicians’ opinions would be relevant. The opinion of someone who has merely visited these facilities ain’t that.


I told you I work in the specoal education field. Yes, my work involves teens and adults who require long-term instotutional and/or group home and psychiatric care.


That's great. It has nothing to do with your qualifications for having an opinion about what anyone else should be forced to do because you think it's a "better life" than the life they are living now.

If your services and proposed course of treatment can't be made attractive enough to draw these folks in voluntarily, and keep them there, you have a model that is either going to require an even bigger carceral state to achieve or you have a model that will never work. Maybe both.


How about they make a decision about what’s a better life when they’re medicated and rational instead of in the grip of a psychotic episode. People are such effing ignorant-yet-opinionated idiots about psychosis. It’s not diversity day it’s a fu*king medical problem and it is inhumane not to get them treatment.
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