Where does Virginia begin to feel ‘Southern’?

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Anonymous wrote:Anywhere except the NOVA area except for pockets like university towns.

What exactly is NOVA? Prince William is most definitely southern and so is like the southern half of Fairfax County. So if you’re only counting Arlington, Alexandria, and like Mclean and Falls Church as NOVA, then fine.

I’m convinced that people are just talking out of there asses here and are going on way outdated stereotypes. I live and work in PWC, it’s not at all southern. I’ve never seen a confederate flag around here. Every once in a blue moon, I see a blue lives matter bumper sticker on the back of a truck, but that’s about it.

Again, there seems to be a lot of definitions of what constitutes “southern” in this thread. There are Confederate flags flying in Maine. Flying the flag does not make a place culturally southern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anywhere except the NOVA area except for pockets like university towns.

What exactly is NOVA? Prince William is most definitely southern and so is like the southern half of Fairfax County. So if you’re only counting Arlington, Alexandria, and like Mclean and Falls Church as NOVA, then fine.

I’m convinced that people are just talking out of there asses here and are going on way outdated stereotypes. I live and work in PWC, it’s not at all southern. I’ve never seen a confederate flag around here. Every once in a blue moon, I see a blue lives matter bumper sticker on the back of a truck, but that’s about it.

PWC is definitely southern, at least the rural western PW part. Eastern Pw from Woodbridge to Triangle has all urbanized, and thus lost its real PW attributes. Go 5 minutes west of Haymarket and it’s southern, southern flag galore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ditto PW county answer.

You people are delusional.

Sorry you’re in denial. Unanimous consensus.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

Racist/redneck/rural <> southern.

Where did most of the people who were ok with slavery settle? The south.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anywhere except the NOVA area except for pockets like university towns.

What exactly is NOVA? Prince William is most definitely southern and so is like the southern half of Fairfax County. So if you’re only counting Arlington, Alexandria, and like Mclean and Falls Church as NOVA, then fine.

I’m convinced that people are just talking out of there asses here and are going on way outdated stereotypes. I live and work in PWC, it’s not at all southern. I’ve never seen a confederate flag around here. Every once in a blue moon, I see a blue lives matter bumper sticker on the back of a truck, but that’s about it.

PWC is definitely southern, at least the rural western PW part. Eastern Pw from Woodbridge to Triangle has all urbanized, and thus lost its real PW attributes. Go 5 minutes west of Haymarket and it’s southern, southern flag galore.

5 minutes west of Haymarket is not PW county. It's Fauquier county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:West of Leesburg in Loudoun County feels, sounds, looks pretty southern.

This is pretty accurate as someone who lives in Leesburg.

West of Leesburg is growing and expanding but it's still pretty rural. Lots of people who live there are constantly fighting against progress. I remember when schools went virtual in 2020 and the people out in Western Loudoun were complaining because they didn't have high speed internet to support multiple people working remotely. Well, no, of course you don't because each time that infrastructure expansion comes up, you people rally against it and get the development squashed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:West of Leesburg in Loudoun County feels, sounds, looks pretty southern.

This is pretty accurate as someone who lives in Leesburg.

West of Leesburg is growing and expanding but it's still pretty rural. Lots of people who live there are constantly fighting against progress. I remember when schools went virtual in 2020 and the people out in Western Loudoun were complaining because they didn't have high speed internet to support multiple people working remotely. Well, no, of course you don't because each time that infrastructure expansion comes up, you people rally against it and get the development squashed.

The board of supervisors is trying to pass conservation legislation that would limit growth to preserve the rural nature of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

Racist/redneck/rural <> southern.

Where did most of the people who were ok with slavery settle? The south.

Your ignorance is on full display.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

Racist/redneck/rural <> southern.

Where did most of the people who were ok with slavery settle? The south.

Your ignorance is on full display.

Sorry. Truth hurts. The south fully embraced slavery. They liked it so much that they were willing to kill 600k+ people to keep it.

There are rural, racist rednecks all over the US. They aren’t all southern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

Racist/redneck/rural <> southern.

Where did most of the people who were ok with slavery settle? The south.

Your ignorance is on full display.

Sorry. Truth hurts. The south fully embraced slavery. They liked it so much that they were willing to kill 600k+ people to keep it.

There are rural, racist rednecks all over the US. They aren’t all southern.

To say that racist/rural/redneck = southern is beyond ignorant. The poster who made that statement needs to become better educated and meet more people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of confusion here between what is rural and what is Southern.

Rural Virginia= Southern , if it’s rural, that means it retained its original settlers without much influence from transplants or urbanization. All of Virginia is historically southern, unless there has been mass urbanization or migrants flocking there. I graduated from Loudoun County High School in Leesburg, and some of the kids and teachers there had southern accents. When I went to DC’s teacher parent meeting, the teacher there had a southern accent, as did the parents. In Leesburg (northern towards Lucketts), right next to the Potomax River, where it is still relatively rural and untouched.

There’s really not difference between rural Virginia and rural Pennsylvania.

The people who settled there are different. The people who live in rural Pennsylvania are desecendents of Quakers, whereas the people who live in rural Virginia settled for the fertile land. The people who live in rural Virtinia were likely slave owners centuries ago who came from the English Isles, where as Pennsylvania rurals have roots from all over Europe.

You have little understanding of how this country was settled or the waves of immigration. I suggest you stop by the Frontier Museum in Staunton to help you better understand.

As a Hoosier from southern Indiana, I can attest that were I grew up, clearly not the geographical south, is much more southern in culture than Northern Virginia. The southern part of Indiana was settled primarily by people from KY and TN. The culture and accent in northern Indiana is very different from southern Indiana and reflects the people from the upper midwest/Great Lakes who settled it. "Southern" is not just a geographic location.

https://www.frontiermuseum.org/

PP was making accurate statements about settlers in PA. Nothing about IN.

The PP is making wildly inaccurate claims. Germans made up the largest group of PA settlers. Virginia had a large enslaved population but most white Virginians did not own slaves, especially in the western parts of the state.

I believe the point the Indiana poster was trying to make was in response to the 3rd PP who said there was little difference between rural VA and rural PA. Rural southern IN is similar to them as well. I would agree. They were settled by the same groups and if you think of "southern" as cultural, not geographical. Indiana also used to be a major KKK stronghold. Sounds pretty "southern" to me.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slavery.html
https://explorepahistory.com/story.php?storyId=1-9-23#:~:text=Though%20officially%20English%20in%20its,)%2C%20and%20other%20European%20groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

Racist/redneck/rural <> southern.

Where did most of the people who were ok with slavery settle? The south.

Your ignorance is on full display.

Sorry. Truth hurts. The south fully embraced slavery. They liked it so much that they were willing to kill 600k+ people to keep it.

There are rural, racist rednecks all over the US. They aren’t all southern.

To say that racist/rural/redneck = southern is beyond ignorant. The poster who made that statement needs to become better educated and meet more people.

I said that they are NOT the same.

<> is not equal

[Anonymous]

This thread reminds me of my sister who moved from Richmond (our hometown) to SC because Richmond was no longer southern enough for her. She didn't like having to chit chat at the bus stop with Democrats. She literally told me this.

[Anonymous]

Where there are restaurants with sweet tea, pimiento cheese and ham biscuits on the menu. Where Duke’s mayonnaise outsells Hellman’s. Probably Fredericksburg?

[Anonymous]

At the borders.