Private Schools that feed into Ivy's

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Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

National Cathedral School places a higher percentage (26%) in Ivies than any of the above listed boarding schools. among elite New England boarding schools, only St. paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire comes close (24%) to NCS.

Below NCS and St.Paul's School are:

Andover (Phillips Academy), Lawrenceville, & St. Albans = all at 22%.

Next are several boarding schoolsat 21% Ivy league placement: Exeter, Deerfield Academy, Hotchkiss, & Groton.

Choate Rosemary Hall places 19%.

Sidwell Friends School places about 18%.

Milton Academy has less than 50% boarding. Places about 20% in Ivies, but this is misleading as many are the sons and daughters of Harvard profs and administrators.

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From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.



This post is silly. Athletic preferences aren't going anywhere - doubtful legacy will either - fair or not.

Watch and see what happens. Something has got to give somewhere. When you give more to one group than you have to get that from somewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

National Cathedral School places a higher percentage (26%) in Ivies than any of the above listed boarding schools. among elite New England boarding schools, only St. paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire comes close (24%) to NCS.

Below NCS and St.Paul's School are:

Andover (Phillips Academy), Lawrenceville, & St. Albans = all at 22%.

Next are several boarding schoolsat 21% Ivy league placement: Exeter, Deerfield Academy, Hotchkiss, & Groton.

Choate Rosemary Hall places 19%.

Sidwell Friends School places about 18%.

Milton Academy has less than 50% boarding. Places about 20% in Ivies, but this is misleading as many are the sons and daughters of Harvard profs and administrators.

Where are you getting this percentage for Sidwell. I don’t see that information available anywhere. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

National Cathedral School places a higher percentage (26%) in Ivies than any of the above listed boarding schools. among elite New England boarding schools, only St. paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire comes close (24%) to NCS.

Below NCS and St.Paul's School are:

Andover (Phillips Academy), Lawrenceville, & St. Albans = all at 22%.

Next are several boarding schoolsat 21% Ivy league placement: Exeter, Deerfield Academy, Hotchkiss, & Groton.

Choate Rosemary Hall places 19%.

Sidwell Friends School places about 18%.

Milton Academy has less than 50% boarding. Places about 20% in Ivies, but this is misleading as many are the sons and daughters of Harvard profs and administrators.

Correct. The previous poster is basing their statements on fact less theories of long ago. NCS with 26 percent is quite impressive and is STA with 22 percent. NY schools admit more students with parents who are alumns and connected as there is a lot more wealth in NY than DC. DC is small and much less wealthy overall.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Last time I looked at the matriculations for STA, about 45-50% of the kids went to top-25 ranked schools. Not sure what it was last year, but probably comparable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.

Nothing stops the Ivies from using race or any other arbitrary criteria they choose in their secret deliberations, as long as they don't make it explicit in writing somewhere. Screening out too many Asians is easy. No one can sue them for choosing one group of 4% of applicants over another that way. Otherwise, there would be a dozen lawsuits every year based on every criteria imaginable.

They are never going to adopt a numerical formula of grades and test scores then just take the top few hundred. It's way more complex than that.

Agree - it is holistic now and will continue to be. I actually think known schools (such as privates or well-known publics) get an advantage when there is less data bc being a member of the community shows they can do the work.

People forget that the Ivies have MULTIPLE candidates for every slot who can pay, do the work, and excel. They are businesses who can choose their customers. Since their customers become part of the institution for several years, they don't automatically take the richest or the strongest academically.

Admissions officers are building a community at their Ivy school. Since they have the luxury of almost infinite choice, they can pick and choose as they like among the hordes trying to get in. You will never know if it was academics, ethnicity, wealth, lack of wealth, legacies, or something else that tipped a certain candidate, apart from sports scholarships.

So playing this guessing game is a waste of time. There is nothing magic about the Ivies in terms of academics compared to the other Top 20 or 30 schools. If I had kids now, I would send them to the secondary school they want to attend the most then apply to the colleges that sound the best for them. if they do well in one, they will get into one of the others.

The Ivy obsession is way out of hand. It is NOT a magic ticket in life. Sure, it may help, but it may mean nothing extra. I worked in a selective field and rarely met anyone else from an Ivy school.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Last time I looked at the matriculations for STA, about 45-50% of the kids went to top-25 ranked schools. Not sure what it was last year, but probably comparable.

The same. Lots of Ivys, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, CalBerk, Pomona, academies, Vandy, and then a bunch to Colby, Bowdoin, BC, William and Mary and the like. Something like 60 out of 75 went to solid schools this past year.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Last time I looked at the matriculations for STA, about 45-50% of the kids went to top-25 ranked schools. Not sure what it was last year, but probably comparable.

The same. Lots of Ivys, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, CalBerk, Pomona, academies, Vandy, and then a bunch to Colby, Bowdoin, BC, William and Mary and the like. Something like 60 out of 75 went to solid schools this past year.

And I think this is the better way to think about this if you are using college placement as a way to measure schools. Any school can get a few kids into Ivies, but where the middle and bottom of the class goes can tell you more.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Last time I looked at the matriculations for STA, about 45-50% of the kids went to top-25 ranked schools. Not sure what it was last year, but probably comparable.

The same. Lots of Ivys, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, CalBerk, Pomona, academies, Vandy, and then a bunch to Colby, Bowdoin, BC, William and Mary and the like. Something like 60 out of 75 went to solid schools this past year.

STA admits many students with parents who are Ivy alums. Many of the Ivy admits are legacies or athletes. Same with many of the top 25 schools lots of legacies are admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Last time I looked at the matriculations for STA, about 45-50% of the kids went to top-25 ranked schools. Not sure what it was last year, but probably comparable.

The same. Lots of Ivys, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, CalBerk, Pomona, academies, Vandy, and then a bunch to Colby, Bowdoin, BC, William and Mary and the like. Something like 60 out of 75 went to solid schools this past year.

STA admits many students with parents who are Ivy alums. Many of the Ivy admits are legacies or athletes. Same with many of the top 25 schools lots of legacies are admitted.

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming
with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is
a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

[Anonymous]

previous poster -I omitted the number of Yale admits (4)

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were 4 Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:previous poster -I omitted the number of Yale admits (4)

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were 4 Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

All of the Ivy and other Ed admits so far are legacies or athletic recruits except 1. Hearing lots of non-legacy non athletic recruit kids shut out of Ed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:previous poster -I omitted the number of Yale admits (4)

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were 4 Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

All of the Ivy and other Ed admits so far are legacies or athletic recruits except 1. Hearing lots of non-legacy non athletic recruit kids shut out of Ed.

Troll post. This isn’t even close to true.

-STA ‘23 parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:previous poster -I omitted the number of Yale admits (4)

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were 4 Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

All of the Ivy and other Ed admits so far are legacies or athletic recruits except 1. Hearing lots of non-legacy non athletic recruit kids shut out of Ed.

Troll post. This isn’t even close to true.

-STA ‘23 parent

DP. Actually it is true. Lots of ED rejections/deferrals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:previous poster -I omitted the number of Yale admits (4)

My take after watching the STA admits very closely in recent years is that that kids getting admitted to the Ivies are 1)sports recruits 2)the top academic kids (i.e. kids who really stand out academically).
Ironically, many of these kids are Ivy legacies but not to the Ivy that they are attending themselves. For example, last year there were 4 Yale admits who were not legacies. The school is swarming with Yale legacies (probably 20 in any class when you count both parents) but they are not the kids that got in. This year there are already a few Harvard admits. I don't know both kids but the one I do know is not a legacy but is a kid who is an academic genius in one subject (complete outlier at the school).
If anything, the STA college admits seem to restore my faith in the process.

All of the Ivy and other Ed admits so far are legacies or athletic recruits except 1. Hearing lots of non-legacy non athletic recruit kids shut out of Ed.

Troll post. This isn’t even close to true.

-STA ‘23 parent

DP. Actually it is true. Lots of ED rejections/deferrals.

Also am an STA parent….