Help DS Decide: Duke ED or Harvard/Princeton REA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he is set on Duke. ED at Duke. He sounds like a strong applicant but every kid who applies to Harvard and Princeton have the same description. My kid who had a 1590, Captain of a varsity sport, great internship at known location, had national awards was rejected at most top schools. Got in to Cornell of the WL. She did not ED anywhere as she did not have a first choice at that time.

This^. If he likes Duke, ED to maximize his chances. Harvard and Princeton are gamble, even for seemingly perfect applicants.

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One in the hand is better than two in the air.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what you guys are smoking but Duke is statistically nearly as as much of a lottery as Harvard and Princeton- in fact more of one from certain schools. They don't like Sidwell for some reason. Duke does favor legacies in ED. Our kids are at a Big 3 school and we saw kids with the exact same stats as the OP's son getting rejected from HYPSM AND Duke and Northwestern. This kid seems like average supersmart kid- a dime a dozen in the DMV. And unless I missed something and the EC's are SUPER SUPER unique or the kid is URM/first gen which was not mentioned, all 3 are a crap shoot and it's ridiculous to try to game this.

Have to agree with the part about Duke having feeder schools. My child is at a T3 equivalent in another city and the have only gotten 3 kids into Duke in the past five years or so and all are recruited athletes. Acceptance rates to H/Y/P are definitely notably. higher from our school.

+1 the only school I've seen consistently get kids into Duke from DMV is TJHSST and maybe Gilman/Chevy Chase.

It may feel like that, but Duke gets applications from more than 13,000 schools, and they admit about 3,000 students. That means there are at least 10,000 schools where they admit no one.

That’s true, but I was specifically referring to the DMV area. Of course other schools around the country and even the world will send more, especially NCSSM.

This year, 3 TJ graduates went to Duke (1 AB Duke, 1 Robertson). In the summer, they had parties for the DMV students headed to Duke, and we saw at least 40 students there (from various DMV schools).

Wow so few, must be one of the lowest in years. Out of curiosity how do you know this level of detail, are you the parent of a Duke student who was at these parties?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My two cents - go for Duke ED. He loved it, and he sounds like the quintessential well-rounded and enthusiastic Duke student.

Agreed. Keep your healthy perspective -- all these schools are tough admits. But I think ED would help him with Duke.

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Go for Harvard. You would forever second guess yourself if your son got into Duke ED and locked himself out. Duke's yield rate, even with ED, is on par with Cornell.

That's not exactly a genuine claim. Duke only loses the cross-admit battle with HYPSM, Caltech and narrowly to Columbia, ties with Penn, and beats everyone else. Caltech, Duke, and Columbia are known to have low yields because they lose staggering amounts to HPSM each year. Penn does as well but it notches a higher yield by taking the most kids ED out of any of those schools. Cornell loses its cross admit battle to every other ivy, Stanford, MIT, Duke, and Caltech. Even Northwestern might beat Cornell for cross-admits. So yield numbers can't be compared eye-to-eye.

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Anonymous wrote:One in the hand is better than two in the air.

+1 except it's pretty crazy to call Duke "one in the hand." OP's son is definitely very qualified, but Duke ED is no cakewalk.

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The last year the CDS is available (entering Fall 2021), Duke had 49,523 applications and admitted 2,911. That's a 5.8% admit rate overall.

Broken down by round:

828 admits out of 5,060 Early Decision applicants (16%) - keep in mind this includes athletes...
2,083 admits out of 44,463 Regular Decision Applicants (~4.7%)

ALSO keep in mind..this was for Fall 2021. The numbers presumably went up (for apps) in Fall 2022.

So I think it's a lottery any way you slice it.

[Anonymous]

If you remove the athletes (D-I), which are probably all ED and ~200-300 students, you're at ~500 admits out of ~4700 applicants, or about ~10% non-recruited-athlete admit rate for ED I.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what you guys are smoking but Duke is statistically nearly as as much of a lottery as Harvard and Princeton- in fact more of one from certain schools. They don't like Sidwell for some reason. Duke does favor legacies in ED. Our kids are at a Big 3 school and we saw kids with the exact same stats as the OP's son getting rejected from HYPSM AND Duke and Northwestern. This kid seems like average supersmart kid- a dime a dozen in the DMV. And unless I missed something and the EC's are SUPER SUPER unique or the kid is URM/first gen which was not mentioned, all 3 are a crap shoot and it's ridiculous to try to game this.

Have to agree with the part about Duke having feeder schools. My child is at a T3 equivalent in another city and the have only gotten 3 kids into Duke in the past five years or so and all are recruited athletes. Acceptance rates to H/Y/P are definitely notably. higher from our school.

+1 the only school I've seen consistently get kids into Duke from DMV is TJHSST and maybe Gilman/Chevy Chase.

It may feel like that, but Duke gets applications from more than 13,000 schools, and they admit about 3,000 students. That means there are at least 10,000 schools where they admit no one.

That’s true, but I was specifically referring to the DMV area. Of course other schools around the country and even the world will send more, especially NCSSM.

This year, 3 TJ graduates went to Duke (1 AB Duke, 1 Robertson). In the summer, they had parties for the DMV students headed to Duke, and we saw at least 40 students there (from various DMV schools).

Wow so few, must be one of the lowest in years. Out of curiosity how do you know this level of detail, are you the parent of a Duke student who was at these parties?

Yes, I’m the parent of the TJ graduate who is now at Duke, and we were at the parties. They said that last year, about 6 TJ graduates went to Duke. My child greatly enjoys Duke so far, joined several clubs, published an article in their Chronicle newspaper, and got a part-time job on campus building some websites.

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Anonymous wrote:The last year the CDS is available (entering Fall 2021), Duke had 49,523 applications and admitted 2,911. That's a 5.8% admit rate overall.

Broken down by round:

828 admits out of 5,060 Early Decision applicants (16%) - keep in mind this includes athletes...
2,083 admits out of 44,463 Regular Decision Applicants (~4.7%)

ALSO keep in mind..this was for Fall 2021. The numbers presumably went up (for apps) in Fall 2022.

So I think it's a lottery any way you slice it.

Yikes. They need to increase their class size, they're surely turning away so many kids who could contribute a lot to their school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you remove the athletes (D-I), which are probably all ED and ~200-300 students, you're at ~500 admits out of ~4700 applicants, or about ~10% non-recruited-athlete admit rate for ED I.

I'm sorry but Duke does not have 200-300 athletes coming in through ED, at most they'd be looking at 150.

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2022 data:

https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/duke-offers-regular-admission-2230-students

Just over 50,000 students applied for admission this year, the most ever. With the 855 students accepted in December as Early Decision applicants, a total of 3,085 have been invited to join the Class of 2026.

Duke received 50,002 applications for undergraduate admissions this year, up about 1 percent over last year’s pool, which saw the largest year-to-year increase in the school’s history.

Of those, 45,941 applied under Duke’s Regular Decision program, up from 44,133 last year. Among the Regular Decision applicant pool, 2,120 students -- 4.6 percent -- will receive a notice of acceptance.

[Anonymous]

Duke. Save Ivy for grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke. Save Ivy for grad school.

+1 but not for "saving Ivy for grad school." Duke is still Duke, not being an ivy doesn't matter for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/duke-offers-regular-admission-2230-students

Just over 50,000 students applied for admission this year, the most ever. With the 855 students accepted in December as Early Decision applicants, a total of 3,085 have been invited to join the Class of 2026.

Duke received 50,002 applications for undergraduate admissions this year, up about 1 percent over last year’s pool, which saw the largest year-to-year increase in the school’s history.

Of those, 45,941 applied under Duke’s Regular Decision program, up from 44,133 last year. Among the Regular Decision applicant pool, 2,120 students -- 4.6 percent -- will receive a notice of acceptance.

The real question is, how many of these applicants are actually competitive for Duke and how many of them were just added because of Duke basketball?