Another Black Eye for Penn

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Anonymous wrote:The point about Questbridge reaffirming that her application was legit is really significant. They are the closest thing to a neutral third party in this, and they’re siding with Mackenzie over Penn.

Yeah, I totally expected them to admit they were duped by a rich white girl at the most elite private school in the middle west. lol

NP. I highly doubt Questbridge would choose to damage its own credibility by being dishonest.

Nobody ever admits fault in something like this. Even Penn was duped in admissions — where it’s pretty obviously the more elite Ivies and Stanford clearly smelled her bogus b.s. from a mile away.

Not true. It was Questbridge who vetted her application. As a participating Questbridge institution, Penn accepted the Questbridge application as it does with all Questbridge applicants.

Well, they didn't vet it very well, did they?

Why do you say that? Was she in foster care when she applied to college? Apparently so.

And why was she in foster care? Because of injuries she received at home.

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Anonymous wrote:So students over 18 can have medical issues and the school has no responsibility to tell their parents and can cite privacy concerns. But in this instance we have an over 18 year old student and the school provides copies of her essay to her mother (for various legal proceedings of the mother is pursuing) and that isn’t a privacy violation? And the school’s general counsel carries on conversations with the mother of an over 18-year-old student, and describes discussions that happen with student and faculty members and that is also not a privacy issue?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not only that, but Penn never even notified the student that they were having these conversations. In fact, they lied in their public statement claiming that the investigation was initiated in response to an anonymous e-mail when in fact there was an e-mail from the father of a HS classmate. There was also an anonymous eye-mail from a former classmate, so half truth at best. They then contacted the mother immediately, so that witch was behind her daughter’s destruction from the very beginning.

I’m curious about what those who think Mackenzie is liar think about this point? They are fixated on Mackenzie’s perceived faults but say nothing about what Penn actually did.

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This topic has been well covered in another thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit and College Confidential have years and years of details on how to exploit these programs and the hooks required for elite college admissions. And they're full of ruthless 14, 15, and 16 year-olds obsessively studying them. You have to suspend reality to pretend this young woman was just an oblivious student who randomly stumbled upon QuestBridge and whatever else she applied to because the rich private school counselor told her to apply.

And her breakdown after bombing AP chemistry teases out she was precisely the sort of student who was gunning for an Ivy League university at least back in 10th or 11th grade. In contrast to your average UMC overachiver who merely wanted to go to in-state University of Missouri, they are not going to have a breakdown over a single AP test. But an elbowy Ivy League gunner is going to have that breakdown, worrying a single B may cost them a spot at Harvard.

And the transcripts all but prove the breakdown happened. The girl, per usual, spins and calls the mother a liar. Right. The mother totally made that up... and it's just a pure coincidence that happens to be one of the few B's on her transcript? You all are way too naive.

Can you please get a life and stop hijacking every thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

Exactly.

This, exactly. And there are more than a few over-the-top, nasty, borderline vicious, posters on here who know jack sh-- about what actually happened. And know even less about sexual assault. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Rich? She was away from family in FOSTER care when she went to PENN. All of her physical injuries, documented in real time. The mother's reactions -alone- make me believe the kid. You people are effing crazy.

Question: How many rich 17 y/o strivers would "enter the FOSTER system" for a few months, with no disruption to their elite private schooling, for admission to and a 100% free full ride scholarship valued at over $320,000 to an Ivy League university?

Answer: Most.

Question: How many GENUINE foster kids would trade places with her?

Answer: 100% all of them!

Only a fellow rich kid would defend this pampered brat or have the shameless audacity to pretend she was living in squalor. She wouldn't even give up the names of her supposed foster "siblings" because everything is a lie. A spoiled rich brat with a vivid imagination.

You have a distinctive voice and clearly have a strange and strong obsession with this young woman.

Most teenagers would not inflict such grievous injuries to themselves over the course of several years as a way to scheme their way into the foster system and then into an elite school.

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Anonymous wrote:The point about Questbridge reaffirming that her application was legit is really significant. They are the closest thing to a neutral third party in this, and they’re siding with Mackenzie over Penn.

Yeah, I totally expected them to admit they were duped by a rich white girl at the most elite private school in the middle west. lol

NP. I highly doubt Questbridge would choose to damage its own credibility by being dishonest.

Nobody ever admits fault in something like this. Even Penn was duped in admissions — where it’s pretty obviously the more elite Ivies and Stanford clearly smelled her bogus b.s. from a mile away.

Not true. It was Questbridge who vetted her application. As a participating Questbridge institution, Penn accepted the Questbridge application as it does with all Questbridge applicants.

Well, they didn't vet it very well, did they?

That’s irrelevant. They did vet it and as such there can be no fraud. And it means that they were the responsible party, not her and not Penn.

But what’s telling is that the sitting Director of Questbridge did review the original application recently and stands behind it. Unless you want to attribute nefarious motives to everyone who touched this case except Penn, you have to deal with the fact that her case has been reviewed and her legitimacy confirmed.

The fact is that she did spend her junior year of high school in foster homes. The fact is that she was independent as a senior with no visible means of support, relying on the kindness of strangers. That apparently met the Questbridge criteria just as it met the federal financial aid criteria.

You may not like the fact that this can happen legitimately for a formerly rich kid, but your dislike for the situation (eye roll) doesn’t thereby make her guilty if anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never say this (and realize it’s not at all likely) but it genuinely seems like Mackenzie’s mom may have found this thread.

I never say this but it genuinely seems like she's concealing her SAT score because it's rubbish and it exposes the fact that she never deserved to get into Penn in the first place. If the SAT is low, all she has is inflated private school grades and inflated Penn grades in one of the easiest majors at Penn SAS. Wow! Genius! Give her a Rhodes! Put her in congress! A dime a dozen mediocre rich white girl.

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Anonymous wrote:I never say this (and realize it’s not at all likely) but it genuinely seems like Mackenzie’s mom may have found this thread.

I never say this but it genuinely seems like she's concealing her SAT score because it's rubbish and it exposes the fact that she never deserved to get into Penn in the first place. If the SAT is low, all she has is inflated private school grades and inflated Penn grades in one of the easiest majors at Penn SAS. Wow! Genius! Give her a Rhodes! Put her in congress! A dime a dozen mediocre rich white girl.

Stop. Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This topic has been well covered in another thread.

Great. No need for you to participate.

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

Exactly.

This, exactly. And there are more than a few over-the-top, nasty, borderline vicious, posters on here who know jack sh-- about what actually happened. And know even less about sexual assault. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Rich? She was away from family in FOSTER care when she went to PENN. All of her physical injuries, documented in real time. The mother's reactions -alone- make me believe the kid. You people are effing crazy.

Question: How many rich 17 y/o strivers would "enter the FOSTER system" for a few months, with no disruption to their elite private schooling, for admission to and a 100% free full ride scholarship valued at over $320,000 to an Ivy League university?

Answer: Most.

Question: How many GENUINE foster kids would trade places with her?

Answer: 100% all of them!

Only a fellow rich kid would defend this pampered brat or have the shameless audacity to pretend she was living in squalor. She wouldn't even give up the names of her supposed foster "siblings" because everything is a lie. A spoiled rich brat with a vivid imagination.

You have a distinctive voice and clearly have a strange and strong obsession with this young woman.

Most teenagers would not inflict such grievous injuries to themselves over the course of several years as a way to scheme their way into the foster system and then into an elite school.

Why do you keep infantilizing her with "young woman" and "girl"? Isn't she year 25 at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never say this (and realize it’s not at all likely) but it genuinely seems like Mackenzie’s mom may have found this thread.

Really? I thought it was her lawyers.

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Anonymous wrote:I never say this (and realize it’s not at all likely) but it genuinely seems like Mackenzie’s mom may have found this thread.

Really? I thought it was her lawyers.

Mackenzie Fierceton's I mean.

[Anonymous]

There is no explanation for this below which is why the New Yorker writer and the gals' sycophants pepper salacious hearsay and professional victim nonsense to divert everyone's attention. Read the actual court filings and evidence, not anonymous message boards and opinion stories:

Additionally, I partially support my younger sister, who will be starting college soon. I will then have the additional strain of working to put her through school and ensure her basic living expenses are met. Because she also has special needs, additional resources such as medication, testing, learning aids, and more create further expenses throughout this process.” She wrote the same in her 2018-2019 PFAS form. Ms. Shaw told OSC that Mackenzie has not provided, and that there was no reason to believe it would become necessary to provide, “basic living expenses” or medical costs for Cat (who does have learning challenges). Asked about this, Mackenzie told OSC (and it was separately confirmed) that Mackenzie set up a 529 account for her sister to use towards higher education. OSC understands that the account has approximately $6,000 in it at this point. According to Mackenzie, the seed money for this account may have come from her biological father, although she does not quite remember.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit and College Confidential have years and years of details on how to exploit these programs and the hooks required for elite college admissions. And they're full of ruthless 14, 15, and 16 year-olds obsessively studying them. You have to suspend reality to pretend this young woman was just an oblivious student who randomly stumbled upon QuestBridge and whatever else she applied to because the rich private school counselor told her to apply.

And her breakdown after bombing AP chemistry teases out she was precisely the sort of student who was gunning for an Ivy League university at least back in 10th or 11th grade. In contrast to your average UMC overachiver who merely wanted to go to in-state University of Missouri, they are not going to have a breakdown over a single AP test. But an elbowy Ivy League gunner is going to have that breakdown, worrying a single B may cost them a spot at Harvard.

And the transcripts all but prove the breakdown happened. The girl, per usual, spins and calls the mother a liar. Right. The mother totally made that up... and it's just a pure coincidence that happens to be one of the few B's on her transcript? You all are way too naive.

So it's easier to believe that a woman lied about her mother abusing her AND her stepfather molesting her all so she could....study social work than to actually just believe that a woman was abused? Cool, cool. I guess that explains why so many women don't report abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:What did the rich white 22 or 23 year old woman (not “girl”) do when caught? Fess up? Nope, she fake cried crocodile tears to try and weasel out of the interrogation and then gaslit everyone that the admins and lawyer were super mean when they called out her lies and financial aid fraud on a zoom call. Even to the New Yorker they traffic the lie that the zoom interrogation was like akin to water boarding in Guantanamo. What a bunch of shameless nitwits.

A serial liar never fesses up, they double down with more lies and when you’re a rich pretty white girl, you play get to play the innocent angel. This really seems like the M.O. of a sociopath. They’re never the issue, the issue is everyone else. Yeah, everyone is conspiring against this rich white girl. Right.

You’re making claims with no supporting evidence.

1. There was no fraud. Questbridge vetted her application in the first place and stands behind the legitimacy of the application today upon review.

2. Information in the New Yorker article shows that she was not the one who accused the “admins and layer” (same person) of being “super mean”. It was the faculty member who sat in on that meeting.

3. The New Yorker article makes clear that there was no financial aid fraud. She answered the question which qualified her honestly.

There are actual facts here which you are completely ignoring. The rest of your statement amounts to nothing but baseless name calling. Pure drivel.

2. In other words, unverified hearsay from McKenzie and one of her mentors? Yeah, no bias there, great sourcing. The college asked her simple questions. An "evil" college, may I remind you, that gave this dime a dozen spoiled rich white girl over $300,000 in aid and admitted her with an apparent below bar SAT score. Instead of answering simple questions she cried like a rich white girl who's a professional at playing the angelic victim and then her and her mentor gaslit everyone that the simple questions were a Blackwater interrogation. I jest. Give me a break. A truthful honest forthright ethical student would simply answer the questions. An exposed liar caught red-handed would let the crocodile tears flow and then gaslight everyone after.

First they didn’t give a “dime a dozen rich white girl” anything. You repeatedly ignore the inconvenient fact that she had no permanent home, no means of support, and no income to pay for college. Penn claims to meet all demonstrated financial need. So regardless of the statement which you quite as part of her PFAS, her demonstrated need was indisputable. As such, there was no fraud. Whether or not she lied about anything else is irrelevant to her financial need.

Who are you quoting when you object to the characterization of an “evil” college? I haven’t seen anyone here say that.

You are lying when you sat “apparent below bar SAT score.” You have no evidence for that, yet you are treating it as a fact. And what relevance does her SAT score have to anything? None.