Youngkin creates tip line for parents and students to report teachers for Thought Crime

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will call in my objection to the following "facts" being taught in our public schools:

--Columbus "discovered" America
--the first Thanksgiving was a peaceful gathering
--the first European settlers came here for religious freedom
--the civil war was fought to end slavery
--America was isolationist between WWI and WWII
--slavery existed mostly in southern states

That's a weird mix of things. This may be closer to the truth:

- Columbus wasn't the discoverer, not even the first European.

- Thanksgiving is a mess, yes, there needs to be better teaching for this

- The first European settlers came here to try and exploit new lands. Some fled religious oppression by others but weren't exactly proponents of religious freedom either.

- Civil war was fought for a number of reasons, but one reason was *definitely* slavery. Just look at the contemporary debates leading up to the Civil War in Congress, the Missouri Compromise, Bleeding Kansas, the violent attack on abolitionist Senator Sumner by southern pro-slave Preston Brooks, and so on.

- America wasn't "isolationist" - it had muddled international goals and objectives, some companies and industrialists were invested in Nazi Germany at the time.

- Slavery existed at some point in all states, nobody denies that - but in 1790, the overwhelming majority of slaves were concentrated in the south, with most in Virginia and South Carolina, and then slavery expanded further west and south, whereas by the 1820s, well prior to the civil war it was largely phased out in the northern states. It's also a common misconception that white people were all slaveowners. Even at the peak of slavery in 1840, less than 10% of whites owned slaves.

Exactly. The "truth" is usually much more nuanced than what is taught in our schools. Schools should be teaching critical thinking skills, not circumscribing the bounds of acceptable thought.

[Anonymous]

Exactly. The "truth" is usually much more nuanced than what is taught in our schools. Schools should be teaching critical thinking skills, not circumscribing the bounds of acceptable thought.

This is true, but you cannot teach all the nuance in elementary school.

Thanksgiving in schools traditionally has revolved around the Pilgrim story. There is some truth to it--they did have a Thanksgiving and Indigenous people did help them learn to do some farming. They did come for religious freedom, as well. Was Thanksgiving a happy harvest feast with the Indians? Probably not. But there is some basis to the story.

Same with a lot of the other "facts" listed. Some basis. Not necessarily the whole truth. Columbus was an important figure and I'm pretty sure I learned that he never really got to mainland "America." I always thought that he "discovered" the world was round as his claim to fame. And, that was because he was headed to India and ran into America.

As for "isolationism," there is also some truth to that. We did not enter war until we were attacked by Japan. But, we did have "Lend/Lease."

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]I want to report Miss Keck, history teacher at Wakefield High School in Arlington, VA, who was mean to me in 1959. But yet, ladies and gentlemen, I somehow survived. [/quote]

Report it, :D this is technically what they are looking for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I could see this result in a mass exodus of teachers,

It will undermine the entire public school system, at least in places like Fairfax...which of course, is what the GOP wants.

Parents could and have brought to light problems with teachers before.

Teachers are employees, and accountable to the people who employ them... and they can't say anything they want in class, just like I can't at work either.

Oh, I’m comfortable with teachers not being accountable to white hood wearing jerks. I want my children to get an education, not a RWNJ indoctrination.

Yes, all those white hood wearing jerks in NOVA. Look what they're trying to do. Live in reality, it will help you.

Hate to break this to you, but a lot of teachers in NOVA *are* those white hood wearing jerks. I can easily imagine them reporting the colleagues who attempt to treat students fairly. I was once "reported" to the principal for letting some of the ESOL kids read books in their own language (for fun, during break time). Thank god the principal was not an idiot.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I want to report Miss Keck, history teacher at Wakefield High School in Arlington, VA, who was mean to me in 1959. But yet, ladies and gentlemen, I somehow survived. [/quote]

Report it, :D this is technically what they are looking for.[/quote]

In 1991 I was turned down for a job as a teacher in FCPS by a black principal. I'd like back pay.

[Anonymous]

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Exactly. The "truth" is usually much more nuanced than what is taught in our schools. Schools should be teaching critical thinking skills, not circumscribing the bounds of acceptable thought.

This is true, but you cannot teach all the nuance in elementary school.

Thanksgiving in schools traditionally has revolved around the Pilgrim story. There is some truth to it--they did have a Thanksgiving and Indigenous people did help them learn to do some farming. They did come for religious freedom, as well. Was Thanksgiving a happy harvest feast with the Indians? Probably not. But there is some basis to the story.

Same with a lot of the other "facts" listed. Some basis. Not necessarily the whole truth. Columbus was an important figure and I'm pretty sure I learned that he never really got to mainland "America." I always thought that he "discovered" the world was round as his claim to fame. And, that was because he was headed to India and ran into America.

As for "isolationism," there is also some truth to that. We did not enter war until we were attacked by Japan. But, we did have "Lend/Lease."

Yes, I was taught that Columbus was very brave because he was willing to sail off the end of the world in order to prove the world was round.

The Thanksgiving story is almost entirely myth, and was literally invented just to justify the holiday, but other than the little worksheets with the blond haired pilgims and the smiling Indians in feather headresses, it's at least got some basis in history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can debate education policy all you want. The fact that there is a line where you report people who think differently to the government should really give you pause.

Get real. OP said Thought Crime. It just leaves it open to report indoctrination in the classroom. Not personal beliefs. In other words, you cannot say ACAB.

How about if someone says Blue Lives Matter? They'll be investigated and disciplined, right?

As a conservative, a teacher should not be pushing this (or any other) mantra or personal belief on their students

[Anonymous]

Why does slavery have to be taught to be "negative" or wrong? Maybe some of those people didnt mind so much or there masters were nice. I don't like how the Liberals have to tell us everything which is how dome we are proud Republicans. Also we do NOT want Critical Raced Theory in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 1984 references are rich, given leftists are turning in 'unmasked disease-ridden people' in droves in DC

Exactly. The hypocrisy never fails to amuse/revolt.

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No nit me. OP’s post is TLDNR. You realize you are defending the governor of a state creating a tip line for political thought? You really need to get some awareness of the way the world works. Youngkin is not long for Virginia. The next governor will be a democrats and he or she may keep the line but use it against your party. You cool with that?

Actually, he is trying to stop inappropriate indoctrination in the classroom. Where would you suggest parents go with their complaints?

Who defines what that means?

PS. You are not well. Get some help.

Pot, meet kettle. JFC.
DP

The tip line is “for parents to send us any instances where they feel their fundamental rights are being violated, where their children are not being respected [and] where there are inherently divisive practices in their schools.”

A Dem could have said this, and it would be perfectly fine by most here.

+ a million! So true.

[Anonymous]

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No nit me. OP’s post is TLDNR. You realize you are defending the governor of a state creating a tip line for political thought? You really need to get some awareness of the way the world works. Youngkin is not long for Virginia. The next governor will be a democrats and he or she may keep the line but use it against your party. You cool with that?

Actually, he is trying to stop inappropriate indoctrination in the classroom. Where would you suggest parents go with their complaints?

Who defines what that means?

PS. You are not well. Get some help.

Pot, meet kettle. JFC.
DP

The tip line is “for parents to send us any instances where they feel their fundamental rights are being violated, where their children are not being respected [and] where there are inherently divisive practices in their schools.”

A Dem could have said this, and it would be perfectly fine by most here.

No Dem would say that. We don’t want a police state that panders to ignorant racists. It’s not remotely the Governor’s job to set up a fascist operation to ban black points of view from schools.

Wut? You seem terribly confused.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dems are not banning racisim, but rather calling it out when it is expressed. People are free to show their ignorance however they wish. But they are also responsible for their words and actions.

There is a difference between that and curtailing speech in school that is associated with teaching about slavery and MLK.

Please provide links re: the bolded. Where, exactly, has teaching about slavery and MLK been "curtailed" or banned? Nowhere. Because those are things that have always been taught, always will be taught, and absolutely should be taught. But keep on with your absurd LWNJ lies. So believable.

[Anonymous]

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Ah yes - liberals love to retweet totally rando people no one's ever heard of, as if they're somehow truthtellers. Too funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is going around FB today

Virginia’s new Governor Youngkin has established a tip line to report teachers. I recommend you report:
- Who was your favorite teacher and what did they teach?
- What teacher had the most positive impact on your life?
-What does your child like about their current teacher?
- How has your school or your child’s school had a positive impact on your life?
- What are some of your fondest memories about school?
You can report these to: [e-mail]
And be sure to #ThankATeacher 🙏🏽

This is a really juvenile way to handle what is should be treated in a serious manner, given its seriousness. Maybe someday when we act like adults and protest like adults, our society will start to function again.

Setting up a hotline so parents can complain that the history curriculum doesn't just cover white people and demand various books be banned isn't a serious endeavour and shouldn't be treated as such.

It reminds me of when Trump tried to set up a hotline so people could report suspected illegals living in their neighbourhood.

The bolded is just another reminder of why no one takes people like you seriously. Because you lie, constantly.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher in NJ and I am so glad that I don't live in Virginia! In my school we are actively encouraged to have 'tough talks' about race. We have trainings about it. We have a core group of teachers that meet once a month to talk about these issues. We have our own book club that we can choose to participate in to read and discuss books about race. And guess what? Every teacher in these groups is WHITE, including myself. The school population is about 60% White, with the remainder primarily Black and Hispanic and a small percentage of Asian. Mixed race families are comfortable in the district. We have no interest in pretending that life in the US is without racial tension, discrimination, prejudice, and microaggressions. We believe in teaching our students how to communicate about race with the support of adults in the room.
I am disgusted by how many people seem to think that the comfort level of White kids is so important. I am NOT talking about the teachers that make the news with actions and words that they should have know better to do or say. I'm talking about the daily good people out there who want to see ALL kids succeed in a diverse society. This isn't bias, it's decent humanity. It's not indoctrination, it's dealing with the real society that we live in.