In pool email just came

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:For clarification the cutoff is the lower of a building norm or the national norm. I believe the national norm is 132. No school will have a higher cutoff than the national norm, but some schools may be lower.

Not sure why 137 poster didn't get an email, but it's making me hope that maybe not all the emails were sent out or some schools are doing a different way or are behind.

Cite?

Not PP, but this is where people (including myself until I read the Brabrand Briefing) were getting that from, the 12/3/2020 SB meeting where the motion was passed to do this:

I move that in School Year 2020-21, for schools with an AAP Local Level IV or AAP Level IV Center, the pool of second grade students to be screened for AAP Level IV services will be identified by piloting the use local building norms, while ensuring that any student who meets the national norm is also identified for screening. In schools that do not yet have a Level IV program, national norms will continue to be used to identify students for eligibility screening.

Motion by Stella Pekarsky - Vice Chair, second by Laura Jane H Cohen.
Final Resolution: Motion Carries
Yes: Megan McLaughlin, Ricardy J Anderson - Chair, Melanie K Meren, Rachna S Heizer, Elaine V Tholen, Tamara D Kaufax, Karen Corbett Sanders, Karen A Keys-Gamarra, Stella Pekarsky - Vice Chair, Abrar Omeish, Laura Jane H Cohen, Karl V Frisch

http://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BVJEC639BBEC

Brabrand doesn't reference national norms any more in the briefing or anywhere else.

This is definitely the process used for the 2020-21 school year but sounds as though it was changed for 2021-22. I no longer see any reference to the use of national norms.

I suspect that they're calling them all local norms, but in reality if they do the same calculation for a school -- whether it's top 5% at that school or top 2% at that school or however else it is calculated -- and if the number is higher than the national norm, then they're instructed to use the national norm, but call it "local norm" as word play because it's the norm for that school. Also his update is more about the fact they're doing this process for the 34 schools that don't yet have a level IV program, rather than last year's plan to just use the national norm for the schools.

[Anonymous]

So just to be clear, do we think all the students in the "pool" were sent an email? And all students who are not in the "pool" were not sent an email?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So just to be clear, do we think all the students in the "pool" were sent an email? And all students who are not in the "pool" were not sent an email?

When my oldest went through the process and it was still paper letters that's how it worked. Only I seem vaguely to remember getting the CoGAT score before the pool letter.

[Anonymous]

I think the emails went out County wide. It's precisely for this reason that they would have hit 'send' all at once otherwise the stir is unreal. While it may be disappointing for parents who didn't get the "in pool" letter, it really does not mean a lot. Parents should refer whether in pool or not. We several instances when my child was in 2nd grade and families assumed the high CoGAT score meant they didn't need to do a parent referral and those kids didn't make Level IV. While I don't have definitive proof that it was because of a lack of parent referral (because their GBRS was the same as others who made Level IV with lower scores), I strongly believe it was because the parents decided they didn't need to worry about it because their kid would slide in. For all four of those kids who scored above 145 on CoGAT, and with decent GBRS, and didn't make Level IV, the one thing in common were no parent referral

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For clarification the cutoff is the lower of a building norm or the national norm. I believe the national norm is 132. No school will have a higher cutoff than the national norm, but some schools may be lower.

Not sure why 137 poster didn't get an email, but it's making me hope that maybe not all the emails were sent out or some schools are doing a different way or are behind.

Bolded: I'm not sure that's what it is any more. Read about it yourself in the 10/18/2021 Brabrand Briefing to the SB: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C7WNMJ5CD260/$file/Brabrand%20Briefing%20-%20October%2018%2C%202021.pdf.

Italicized: It's the AAP Office notifying parents per Notice 2401, but maybe they are going pyramid by pyramid?

This is what I was thinking -- something by pyramid or region or maybe based on when schools tested I the window. Our school was pretty late into the testing window. We're also one of the 34 schools affected by the change to use a local norm instead of national norm.

I guess we won't truly know until the scores are released. I wish they would just give the scores to all.

[Anonymous]

Woodson pyramid, inpool letters out last night

[Anonymous]

Any in Madison pyramid?

[Anonymous]

From reading this thread it looks like quite a few pyramids have been notified, so it might really be everyone, unless they were doing it alphabetically or something.

[Anonymous]

Hayfield pyramid, got the email last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For clarification the cutoff is the lower of a building norm or the national norm. I believe the national norm is 132. No school will have a higher cutoff than the national norm, but some schools may be lower.

Not sure why 137 poster didn't get an email, but it's making me hope that maybe not all the emails were sent out or some schools are doing a different way or are behind.

Cite?

Not PP, but this is where people (including myself until I read the Brabrand Briefing) were getting that from, the 12/3/2020 SB meeting where the motion was passed to do this:

I move that in School Year 2020-21, for schools with an AAP Local Level IV or AAP Level IV Center, the pool of second grade students to be screened for AAP Level IV services will be identified by piloting the use local building norms, while ensuring that any student who meets the national norm is also identified for screening. In schools that do not yet have a Level IV program, national norms will continue to be used to identify students for eligibility screening.

Motion by Stella Pekarsky - Vice Chair, second by Laura Jane H Cohen.
Final Resolution: Motion Carries
Yes: Megan McLaughlin, Ricardy J Anderson - Chair, Melanie K Meren, Rachna S Heizer, Elaine V Tholen, Tamara D Kaufax, Karen Corbett Sanders, Karen A Keys-Gamarra, Stella Pekarsky - Vice Chair, Abrar Omeish, Laura Jane H Cohen, Karl V Frisch

http://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BVJEC639BBEC

Brabrand doesn't reference national norms any more in the briefing or anywhere else.

This is definitely the process used for the 2020-21 school year but sounds as though it was changed for 2021-22. I no longer see any reference to the use of national norms.

I suspect that they're calling them all local norms, but in reality if they do the same calculation for a school -- whether it's top 5% at that school or top 2% at that school or however else it is calculated -- and if the number is higher than the national norm, then they're instructed to use the national norm, but call it "local norm" as word play because it's the norm for that school. Also his update is more about the fact they're doing this process for the 34 schools that don't yet have a level IV program, rather than last year's plan to just use the national norm for the schools.

This is a good hypothesis but it doesn't explain why the person with the 137 NNAT didn't receive an in-pool letter. Seems unlikely that they wouldn't have sent out all pool letters simultaneously.

[Anonymous]

Marshal pyramid, got email

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From reading this thread it looks like quite a few pyramids have been notified, so it might really be everyone, unless they were doing it alphabetically or something.

We are at the end of the alphabet and received our letter last night.

[Anonymous]

Mosby Woods received email

[Anonymous]

Person with the 137 NNAT (and everyone): make sure you check the enrolling parent's email address. That may be a spouse, maybe an alternate email, whatever. I remember that being a problem for some people in prior years with communication from the AAP Office - things going to unexpected emails.

[Anonymous]

Is there anyone else with an NNAT score over 132 who didn't receive a letter? Could be a one-off glitch.