Increased begging

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in blue states/cities.

Blue states/cities tolerate open drug use, make it impossible for police to do anything against vagrants (because of 'rights'), hand out all sorts of freebies to people who live transitory lives, and constantly bend over backwards to appease the lowest bars for almost every issue.

What did you expect? Of course they'll all flock to the areas where politicians force feed tolerance down your throat because they are so progressive. SF was once a beautiful city, now it IS literally a disgusting, filth filled sh!thole that reeks of feces and urine everywhere. They're bringing that garbage here too. Progressivism is a mental disease. Homeless have all the rights in the world while productive members of society are forced to dodge discarded needles, fecal bombs, and hepatitis everywhere because of open drug use and defecation in the streets. It's absurd. Progressives constantly turn nice areas in to hellholes.

While I get that there are homeless with mental illness, there are also many homeless who are mentally ill BECAUSE they made poor choices to abuse drugs and alcohol. I also get sick and tired of the bohemian types who are young, abled bodied people who are perfectly capable of holding a job, yet all they want to do is get high everyday and sit in the park doing nothing. I can't stand the gutter punk types who think they're winning because they're sticking it to the man, then go around begging on the streets for money. No, get a job you lazy bums.

Only if you make a deal to work on reading comprehension and they will get a job. Listen closely. If you fall off your feet for whatever reason, it’s almost impossible to start a job with no resume, no place to shower, no apartment, etc.

BS, there are program everywhere.

This whole thread is 'give a man a fish' rather to 'teach a man to fish'. Constantly handing out freebies teaches nothing, nor does it repair anything. There are many programs that exist in the are for housing. They can get welfare checks and food stamps. There are employment programs scattered throughout the area. You can bring a horse to a trough of water, but you can't force it to drink. What more do you want? We've already provided the water. At some point, personal responsibility matters.

So what's your solution then?

Fine anyone who gives money, food, clothing or anything else to panhandlers $1000 for the first offense , $10,000 for the second offense, then 30 days in jail for the 3rd strike. Watch as the handouts dry up and all of the homeless trying to game the system for a bohemian, drug filled responsibility free life leave the area. Or get a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is anecdotal, but since I moved to PG county I noticed that a lot of black drivers give money to panhandlers at intersections. I think that’s why there are more of them around here.

I think AA community wants to help people who fall on tough times. Also, a lot of the AA drivers are devout churchgoers and want to help the needy. But they don't understand that these people are fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in blue states/cities.

Blue states/cities tolerate open drug use, make it impossible for police to do anything against vagrants (because of 'rights'), hand out all sorts of freebies to people who live transitory lives, and constantly bend over backwards to appease the lowest bars for almost every issue.

What did you expect? Of course they'll all flock to the areas where politicians force feed tolerance down your throat because they are so progressive. SF was once a beautiful city, now it IS literally a disgusting, filth filled sh!thole that reeks of feces and urine everywhere. They're bringing that garbage here too. Progressivism is a mental disease. Homeless have all the rights in the world while productive members of society are forced to dodge discarded needles, fecal bombs, and hepatitis everywhere because of open drug use and defecation in the streets. It's absurd. Progressives constantly turn nice areas in to hellholes.

While I get that there are homeless with mental illness, there are also many homeless who are mentally ill BECAUSE they made poor choices to abuse drugs and alcohol. I also get sick and tired of the bohemian types who are young, abled bodied people who are perfectly capable of holding a job, yet all they want to do is get high everyday and sit in the park doing nothing. I can't stand the gutter punk types who think they're winning because they're sticking it to the man, then go around begging on the streets for money. No, get a job you lazy bums.

Only if you make a deal to work on reading comprehension and they will get a job. Listen closely. If you fall off your feet for whatever reason, it’s almost impossible to start a job with no resume, no place to shower, no apartment, etc.

BS, there are program everywhere.

This whole thread is 'give a man a fish' rather to 'teach a man to fish'. Constantly handing out freebies teaches nothing, nor does it repair anything. There are many programs that exist in the are for housing. They can get welfare checks and food stamps. There are employment programs scattered throughout the area. You can bring a horse to a trough of water, but you can't force it to drink. What more do you want? We've already provided the water. At some point, personal responsibility matters.

So what's your solution then?

Fine anyone who gives money, food, clothing or anything else to panhandlers $1000 for the first offense , $10,000 for the second offense, then 30 days in jail for the 3rd strike. Watch as the handouts dry up and all of the homeless trying to game the system for a bohemian, drug filled responsibility free life leave the area. Or get a job.

I mean this seriously and genuinely curious. Do you have any friends? Where did the anger start? From childhood?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is anecdotal, but since I moved to PG county I noticed that a lot of black drivers give money to panhandlers at intersections. I think that’s why there are more of them around here.

I think AA community wants to help people who fall on tough times. Also, a lot of the AA drivers are devout churchgoers and want to help the needy. But they don't understand that these people are fraud.

You just have this head in the clouds mentality. Wow. Millions of homeless and every one of them is a fraud. Hmmm. Ok

[Anonymous]

There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

Illegal? Let’s see. We can fine someone with no money. That won’t work. We could put them in jail and your still paying for it with tax payers money, or you could be a good person and grab a sandwich every now and than. I’m taking C

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

We manage to sort through other crimes. The professional panhandlers do it because it's easy money. If there is even a slight barrier, they will move on to something else. Remember, every dollar the professionals take is a dollar not going to someone in actual need. The professionals are literally stealing from the poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

We manage to sort through other crimes. The professional panhandlers do it because it's easy money. If there is even a slight barrier, they will move on to something else. Remember, every dollar the professionals take is a dollar not going to someone in actual need. The professionals are literally stealing from the poor.

That is also true of billionaires using tax loopholes so that we don’t have enough funding for thousands of things we all need from strong public schools, safe bridges and the social safety net.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they should have licenses. They could be vetted to make sure they are either drugged/crazy or really destitute. No one else gets the license. Then when we regular people drive by we could stop to check their license to see if we want to fund their habit or pay for a campsite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

We manage to sort through other crimes. The professional panhandlers do it because it's easy money. If there is even a slight barrier, they will move on to something else. Remember, every dollar the professionals take is a dollar not going to someone in actual need. The professionals are literally stealing from the poor.

That is also true of billionaires using tax loopholes so that we don’t have enough funding for thousands of things we all need from strong public schools, safe bridges and the social safety net.

What is your point?

[Anonymous]

I live in the country where there is no public transportation, no ltraffic lights and no sidewalks. I get everything delivered also so no beggars for me to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

We manage to sort through other crimes. The professional panhandlers do it because it's easy money. If there is even a slight barrier, they will move on to something else. Remember, every dollar the professionals take is a dollar not going to someone in actual need. The professionals are literally stealing from the poor.

This works in other states. In Florida for example it is illegal to panhandle without a license. Licenses are predominantly purchased by homeless shelters. Residents of those shelters have designated streets and times and in exchange for a newspaper they work on like The Homeless Voice you make a donation and all monies are (presumably) turned over to the shelter at the end of collecting not the individual. Those without a license are fined and ticketed and arrested after x number of tickets without a license.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will always be gullible people as demonstrated here on this thread, but making it illegal to panhandle would solve the problem very quickly.

True. But then when someone gets arrested, we will have to sort into categories of 1)mentally ill druggie 2)part of a panhandling scam operation or 3) genuinely struggling through misfortune. Do we have programs like inpatient treatment and follow up, enough jail space and legal processing bandwidth, and resources to funnel these folks appropriately?

We manage to sort through other crimes. The professional panhandlers do it because it's easy money. If there is even a slight barrier, they will move on to something else. Remember, every dollar the professionals take is a dollar not going to someone in actual need. The professionals are literally stealing from the poor.

This works in other states. In Florida for example it is illegal to panhandle without a license. Licenses are predominantly purchased by homeless shelters. Residents of those shelters have designated streets and times and in exchange for a newspaper they work on like The Homeless Voice you make a donation and all monies are (presumably) turned over to the shelter at the end of collecting not the individual. Those without a license are fined and ticketed and arrested after x number of tickets without a license.

Um, I live in Florida and this is not true. If it exists, it's not statewide (maybe in one county or something, though I don't know where).

[Anonymous]

Can most of you tell the real buskers from the fakers?