Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the parents are all going to meet. I think it’s a serious relationship but definitely if that happens. You may orchestrate some PR relationship (I fully get those happen), you just don’t involve your family.

I also don’t think you can fake the way he’s acting and how he looks at her and vice versa. I also don’t understand the point. What’s the motivation for either of them to fake a relationship when they can both find a new person easily.

lol, Swift's dad has been the ringleader of all of her stunts for like 20 years

But why is a fabricated relationship a motivation here? If anything, given everyone saying she's a serial dater, the motivation would be to NOT date. So what's the reason for fabricating this relationship?

Top story on Google, deflects away from controversy ex. Israel
Record-breaking ratings for NFL, notably female target demo
Her movie has made $250M so far
Her tour has made $1B so far

You can listen to Travis talk in detail about this "relationship" on his podcast each week. It is all painfully fake to drum up the most publicity possible for both.

There's no damn "controversy" with Israel. What the hell with you people. That's absurd.
She was going to sell well on the movie no matter what.
Her tour was already sold out prior to this.
It's just so dumb that you think that they would go to such lengths to wind up exactly where they already were - at the top of their games.

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She's a person with ordinary desires for marriage and to have kids. Likely. That's not fabricated. Her life is not a normal life. His either. It's affected. But that doesn't mean they don't have the some of the same ordinary goals in life, as all (most) of us.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the parents are all going to meet. I think it’s a serious relationship but definitely if that happens. You may orchestrate some PR relationship (I fully get those happen), you just don’t involve your family.

I also don’t think you can fake the way he’s acting and how he looks at her and vice versa. I also don’t understand the point. What’s the motivation for either of them to fake a relationship when they can both find a new person easily.

lol, Swift's dad has been the ringleader of all of her stunts for like 20 years

But why is a fabricated relationship a motivation here? If anything, given everyone saying she's a serial dater, the motivation would be to NOT date. So what's the reason for fabricating this relationship?

Top story on Google, deflects away from controversy ex. Israel
Record-breaking ratings for NFL, notably female target demo
Her movie has made $250M so far
Her tour has made $1B so far

You can listen to Travis talk in detail about this "relationship" on his podcast each week. It is all painfully fake to drum up the most publicity possible for both.

Honest question, PP - do you believe anything is real? Or is it all part of some grand global conspiracy?

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

Are you from a flyover state? Most college educated women start at 30.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

It’s cultural for some to start at 21 and be grandparents sub 50

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If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

I just turned 40. None of my friends started having kids until around age 32. The outliers are my relatives who still live in my small, Southern hometown. I don't want kids, but I have some friends and coworkers in their 40s who are pregnant.

I married into money and all the young women on my wife's side of the family had their eggs frozen in their 20s. It's apparently very common with the wealthy and celebs and how so many are able to carry biological kids in their late 40s.

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I feel the lavender haze creepin' up on me
Surreal, I'm damned if I do give a damn what people say
No deal, the 1950s shit they want from me
I just wanna stay in that lavender haze
All they keep askin' me (all they keep askin' me)
Is if I'm gonna be your bride
The only kind of girl they see (only kind of girl they see)
Is a one-night or a wife
I find it dizzying (yeah, oh, yeah)
They're bringin' up my history (yeah, oh, yeah)
But you aren't even listening (yeah, oh, yeah)
(Ooh-whoa)

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

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You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

PP here. I don’t think it’s too old. I had my first at 29 I think 5 years of parenting has aged me. If I hadn’t had kids yet I’d probably feel a bit younger. I think kids might hit you harder at this age.

And Taylor isn’t 34 starting a family. She’s 34 starting a relationship. Deuxmoi is reporting that she plans to be engaged around her birthday/Christmas, wants to end her tour a married woman, and start a family. That’s a lot, very fast. She and Travis just started dating in July.

Of course, Deuxmoi also maintained that she was secretly married to Joe alwyn. But either way, if you’re single at 34 and want kids, it is not too old, but it’s also not like starting a relationship at 25 and growing into things.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

.

You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

PP here. I don’t think it’s too old. I had my first at 29 I think 5 years of parenting has aged me. If I hadn’t had kids yet I’d probably feel a bit younger. I think kids might hit you harder at this age.

And Taylor isn’t 34 starting a family. She’s 34 starting a relationship. Deuxmoi is reporting that she plans to be engaged around her birthday/Christmas, wants to end her tour a married woman, and start a family. That’s a lot, very fast. She and Travis just started dating in July.

Of course, Deuxmoi also maintained that she was secretly married to Joe alwyn. But either way, if you’re single at 34 and want kids, it is not too old, but it’s also not like starting a relationship at 25 and growing into things.

She's not getting married during her tour. She will plan a wedding while touring, but she won't tie the knot until Eras is finished and put to bed.

The wedding itself will be a massive publicity event, so why do it in the middle of a global blockbuster tour? It will be its own feeding frenzy event.

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Lol at the fan fiction. You people are nuts. She will never be engaged to this dumbbell.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’m being a total sap but I love this so much. I love the video of Travis and her dad. I think her dad is just as smitten! I might be naive but I don’t care, this is sweet stuff. I love love.

This exactly. I hope they get married and have a bunch of kids.

She’s 33, better hurry if she wants kids!

This is dumb af. Plenty of regular career women wait longer than that to have kids. I’m pregnant now at 30 and the average age at my OB’s office is 38 (although that isn’t all first pregnancies).

OBs lie, dear. The are salesmen/women at the end of the day. And they get paid the more old hags they can extract $30,000+ from. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Often the mother and/or baby has health issues. It is so strange how this forum tries to act like waiting until you're too old to be a mom naturally is cool, when it is actually depressing (if more ways than one) and unnatural.

Brunch granny has discovered Taylor swift!

I had my second baby mid 30s and it was not hard and there was nothing unnatural about it.

People choosing to have kids when they are considered advanced in maternal age is not really a problem for the rest of us to be concerned about. Even if they die before their kids are grown adults, I am guessing they will leave enough resources behind to ensure their kids are well provided for. I just looked up Antony Blinken. He is 61 and has a three year old child at home. Should he be home working on potty training or traveling from country to country as he's doing? Nobody questions when men have children late. So he might not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle or have a father-daughter dance with her at the wedding. Big whoop. Before you ask, his spouse is 52. TS has a billionaire dollars at her disposal. She can do whatever she wants.

Our country's special education numbers have grown dramatically in no small part due to this line of thinking.

N = 1, but: Yale grad, PhD. Public schools. No special services of any kind at any point. My Mom was 39 when I was born. I do wear glasses though, but now, at my age, most people do.

DP. I am sure your Yale education taught you that anecdotes are not data. It is well established by now that older eggs and sperm have a higher number of chromosomal alterations, and that the number of alterations tends to increase linearly with age (particularly for sperm). I think people believe that if there’s no miscarriage the embryo is just as healthy as one from younger parents. It’s unfortunately not the case. Chromosomal deletions and duplications are linked to all kinds of things including conditions that affect cognitive functioning and mental health.

If you use data to support your positions on other issues like gun violence and climate change, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ignore data on other topics just because it goes against what you want to believe.

NP but you are cherry picking your own data. Women don't have babies in a vacuum, they have them in the real world. There is no arguing that because of sociodemographic factors, it is much better for a baby to be born to a late 30s/early 40s mom than an early 20s one. These.are.facts. Look up rates of crimes, high school graduation, overall health, etc. and you will find older moms have kids who are better off, OVERWHELMINGLY.

Talk about cherry picking! Why would the only two comparison groups be early 20s vs. late 30s/early 40s? Why exclude ages 25-35? Oh because it wouldn't fit your argument, would it?

.

You can’t possibly be this dumb, can you? The point is biology versus socioeconomic demographics, so yes, you show both ends of the spectrum. a woman is very fertile and has high-quality eggs at age 20, but women who have babies much later in life tend to be much more educated, have stable, careers, and stable lives. That’s the point.

Nope, you’re the one missing the point. No one here is arguing for women to have babies at 20 years old. There’s an optimal age range that balances biology and SES demographics, and you know darn well it isn’t age 40. You created a strawman argument because the data don’t support what you want to be true.

Anyway. I agree with PP that this is stupid to discuss about a celebrity no one here knows personally who may not want children at all.

The only point was to show that biology is only one factor. There are benefits to waiting. Taylor is 33 years old… Ridiculous to claim that she’s past the age of being able to have kids.

She’s turning 34 in a few weeks. I’m her she. I’m feeling too old to have a third child! I can certainly imagine feeling pressure if I was starting over at her age.

I started at 34. It’s not too old. What’s up with all of these asinine posts today? Honestly!

Tell that to the millions of women in their mid 30s who discover they are too old to get pregnant, you genius.