FCPS AAP "pool" cut-off scores

[kayb]

Hello. It's long been my understanding that kids with a certain score or above on the CogAT (given in the schools) are automatically considered for level 4 AAP. I've been told these kids are automatically in the pool and the school provides a packet on their behalf, even if parents do not request AAP review via the application process.

I've also been told that minimum score may have changed or may vary across FCPS schools, but I can't find any specifics on this and I don't know who to ask within FCPS.

-->> I'd really like to know what the minimum score is for this year, and, if it varies by school, who I can talk to outside of the individual school to know what that score is.

It may be worth noting we are at a title I school that is mostly ESL -- not Mclean or some of the schools frequently referenced in discussions about AAP eligibility. I'm also not trying to be "that parent", but have reasons to believe I may not be given correct information locally.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

This thread has some answers, but really it's not universal.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1178388.page

[Anonymous]

Was your child not in pool? What is the issue? Did you not parent refer because you expected your child to be in pool? Call the AAP central office and see what response you get. Let us know

[Anonymous]

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs-aap/advanced-academic-programs-aap-level-iv


This link explains it’s too 10% at the school using the nnat and Cogat scores. Now what that number means at your school we don’t know.

[kayb]

I don't want to disclose personal details, but suffice it to say I'm questioning if my child was excluded inappropriately. I see helpful replies - thank you.

[Anonymous]

The in pool notifications did not come from the school. Some people found the notification in their junk messages. I would call and ask if you think your child scores were high enough that they may have been in the top 10%.

The title 1 school may have high test results this year.

Did you parent refer?

[Anonymous]

kayb wrote:Hello. It's long been my understanding that kids with a certain score or above on the CogAT (given in the schools) are automatically considered for level 4 AAP. I've been told these kids are automatically in the pool and the school provides a packet on their behalf, even if parents do not request AAP review via the application process.

I've also been told that minimum score may have changed or may vary across FCPS schools, but I can't find any specifics on this and I don't know who to ask within FCPS.

-->> I'd really like to know what the minimum score is for this year, and, if it varies by school, who I can talk to outside of the individual school to know what that score is.

It may be worth noting we are at a title I school that is mostly ESL -- not Mclean or some of the schools frequently referenced in discussions about AAP eligibility. I'm also not trying to be "that parent", but have reasons to believe I may not be given correct information locally.

Thank you.

It’s not Cogat alone( unless they don’t have a nnat score on record). So if your child had a low nnat score that can be the reason for not being in Pool.

[Anonymous]

There are a thousand threads about this, search for them.

[Anonymous]

The in-pool scores differ from school to school. FCPS does not release the formula that they use to determine the scores for each school. We know that it somehow incorporates the CoGAT and NNAT scores. Some people have posted about not being in pool with a low NNAT and a high CoGAT score, or vice versa.

The general advice is to complete a referral regardless of pool status since there is no longer a baseline score across the county to consider. There is not enough data from topics on this site to puzzle together what the actual cut offs for each school are or how the County determines what that number should be.

[Anonymous]

I doubt your child was excluded inappropriately and it’s a very high score at some schools to get in the pool. Now it’s on a local pool and they have to be in the top 10% of their school scores to get in the pool and they don’t publicize the cut off score. I would think if you ask the AART they should be able to tell you what the in pool score is though, at your school.

[Anonymous]

kayb wrote:
-->> I'd really like to know what the minimum score is for this year, and, if it varies by school, who I can talk to outside of the individual school to know what that score is.

You're asking for confidential information. Nobody is going to give it up.

[Anonymous]

Talk to the AAP teacher at the school. The in-pool cut-off is top 10% of every school based on NNAT/CoGAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Did you parent refer? As long as you parent referred, it really doesn’t matter if your child is in pool or not. With a parent referral, the school is required to create a packet to be reviewed by central committee, the same way they would w/ a student who is in-pool.

[Anonymous]

I also heard it’s top 10% of the school and your school aart teacher knows the cut off score. In pool doesn’t guarantee acceptance of full time AAP though. If you parent referred and your child’s not in pool and doesn’t make into full time AAP ( but will be in advanced math automatically) you can appeal since your child already have a file in central AART office. If you didn’t parent refer and your child wasn’t in pool and doesn’t get in to full time AAP, you can’t appeal the same year since they don’t have a file of your child already. If your child’s school is not an AAP center, you can ask for principal place for local aap until 6th grade if your child’s qualified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also heard it’s top 10% of the school and your school aart teacher knows the cut off score.

Yes, the pool is the top 10% of scores at a given school. We don't know if that is an average of the CoGAT and NNAT or subscores or what.

Anonymous wrote:In pool doesn’t guarantee acceptance of full time AAP though.

Also true

Anonymous wrote:If you parent referred and your child’s not in pool and doesn’t make into full time AAP ( but will be in advanced math automatically) you can appeal since your child already have a file in central AART office.

Kids who are parent referred are not automatically placed in Advanced Math. Advanced Math is decided by the schools after LIV decisions are made by the committee. But yes, any child whose application for LIV was not accepted can appeal.

Anonymous wrote:If you didn’t parent refer and your child wasn’t in pool and doesn’t get in to full time AAP, you can’t appeal the same year since they don’t have a file of your child already.

Kids who are not in-pool and who were not parent refered were not considered for LIV by the committee so they cannot appeal. There is literally nothing to appeal because they were not considered.

Anonymous wrote:If your child’s school is not an AAP center, you can ask for principal place for local aap until 6th grade if your child’s qualified.

Not really. You can ask for you child to be considered for Principal placement into the LLIV class but it is a year by year placement. The placement is not guaranteed through 6th grade. A child can be removed because they are not doing well or because the school needs the place for a LIV placed kid who has returned to the base or is new to the school and the parents don't want them to attend the Center. Principal placed kids are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class.