AP vs DE?

[Anonymous]

FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

[Anonymous]

Not an FCPS parent, but I know that selective universities like that APs are standardized, while DE classes are not. So they generally see APs as somewhat superior to DC classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

DEs are hit or miss. Many DEs especially the ones offered through community college lack in rigor compared to AP courses & exams. Even with AP, the AP course does not matter, it is the exam score of 4 or 5 that makes AP worth its weight in gold for both admissions and eventual college credits. The only instances where DEs are better than base high school advanced courses are the post AP ones from universities (GMU, JMU, UMD, etc...) not the non-community college ones.

[Anonymous]

Eh, disagree with the prior posters. Yale considers these all equal: AP, de and IB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

UVA main campus does not recognize dual enrollment courses from community colleges like NOVA. They do have a AP credit policy for exams http://records.ureg.virginia.edu/content.php?catoid=52&navoid=4102#Advanced_Placement_Program

The more the competitive the university the more the AP score has to be for admissions consideration. 4 or 5 minimum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

UVA main campus does not recognize dual enrollment courses from community colleges like NOVA. They do have a AP credit policy for exams http://records.ureg.virginia.edu/content.php?catoid=52&navoid=4102#Advanced_Placement_Program

The more the competitive the university the more the AP score has to be for admissions consideration. 4 or 5 minimum.

Nooooo. So much bad info on here in the last 24 hours. You can get DE credit at UVA.

[Anonymous]

https://college.as.virginia.edu/dual-enrollment

Look up specific credits: https://ascs8.eservices.virginia.edu/asEquivs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh, disagree with the prior posters. Yale considers these all equal: AP, de and IB

They do not consider them equal. Student effort matters and is recognized accordingly.
The more competitive the university the more stringent their criteria. At yale, even an AP score of 5 in AP Chemistry, AP CS A, Physics 1 or 2, Macro/micro, etc... dont mean a thing. For that matter a 4 in AP English Lang and AP Lit is ignored.

They only consider a 5 in AP US history, AP English Lang, Lit, 4 or 5 in World Language, 5 in Physics C, 4 o 5 in Calc BC.

https://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/table-of-acceleration-credit/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

UVA main campus does not recognize dual enrollment courses from community colleges like NOVA. They do have a AP credit policy for exams http://records.ureg.virginia.edu/content.php?catoid=52&navoid=4102#Advanced_Placement_Program

The more the competitive the university the more the AP score has to be for admissions consideration. 4 or 5 minimum.

Nooooo. So much bad info on here in the last 24 hours. You can get DE credit at UVA.

PP is talking about admissions consideration, not credit. Do you have intel about how UVA admissions thinks about DE classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

DE is generally regarded as substandard in this area. It's a college course taught by a high school teacher, but without the terminal exam in an AP course. So with the exception of some courses that cannot be found in high school (i.e. multivariate calculus), DE is seen as a cheap way to inflate GPAs since they often convey a bump. It's basically what non-advanced students do to inflate their GPAs, and admissions officers know this. And in the case of something like multivariate calculus, the school will expect the student to retake the class at the actual college level as well.

At least this is how my high school senior explained it to me. She got into UVA. No DEs. Did take a bunch of APs, including AP Spanish.

[Anonymous]

Check the other million threads about this

[Anonymous]

my kid is at UVA and took two DE classes including one instead of AP chem senior year and it was noted on her application that her rigor declined senior year. YMMV, but she also didn't take language after 10th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh, disagree with the prior posters. Yale considers these all equal: AP, de and IB

They do not consider them equal. Student effort matters and is recognized accordingly.
The more competitive the university the more stringent their criteria. At yale, even an AP score of 5 in AP Chemistry, AP CS A, Physics 1 or 2, Macro/micro, etc... dont mean a thing. For that matter a 4 in AP English Lang and AP Lit is ignored.

They only consider a 5 in AP US history, AP English Lang, Lit, 4 or 5 in World Language, 5 in Physics C, 4 o 5 in Calc BC.

https://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/table-of-acceleration-credit/

No, you’re wrong. You’re looking at whether the kid gets credit for the classes. Quoting Yale (which confirms what I said):

Admissions officers are familiar with various types of advanced coursework, including AP, IB, A-Levels, Dual Enrollment, and others, but have no preference for one advanced curriculum over another. We also understand that the availability of advanced coursework varies significantly from school to school. For matriculating students, top scores on AP or IB exams can, in some cases, be used for the purposes of course placement or acceleration (i.e. completing the requirements for an undergraduate degree in fewer than 8 semesters). Details of the Yale College policies on acceleration are available in the Yale College Programs of Study.

Link:

https://admissions.yale.edu/faq/applying-yale-college#faq_category_page-page-14

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS parents , do you know is ap and de are truly treated the same for UVA and other competitive universities ?

School counselor says they are the same in terms of rigor but how do admission officers view them?

DE is generally regarded as substandard in this area. It's a college course taught by a high school teacher, but without the terminal exam in an AP course. So with the exception of some courses that cannot be found in high school (i.e. multivariate calculus), DE is seen as a cheap way to inflate GPAs since they often convey a bump. It's basically what non-advanced students do to inflate their GPAs, and admissions officers know this. And in the case of something like multivariate calculus, the school will expect the student to retake the class at the actual college level as well.

At least this is how my high school senior explained it to me. She got into UVA. No DEs. Did take a bunch of APs, including AP Spanish.

Our DC took both APs and DEs in high school, but only APs with 4 or 5 mattered at UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh, disagree with the prior posters. Yale considers these all equal: AP, de and IB

They do not consider them equal. Student effort matters and is recognized accordingly.
The more competitive the university the more stringent their criteria. At yale, even an AP score of 5 in AP Chemistry, AP CS A, Physics 1 or 2, Macro/micro, etc... dont mean a thing. For that matter a 4 in AP English Lang and AP Lit is ignored.

They only consider a 5 in AP US history, AP English Lang, Lit, 4 or 5 in World Language, 5 in Physics C, 4 o 5 in Calc BC.

https://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/table-of-acceleration-credit/

No, you’re wrong. You’re looking at whether the kid gets credit for the classes. Quoting Yale (which confirms what I said):

Admissions officers are familiar with various types of advanced coursework, including AP, IB, A-Levels, Dual Enrollment, and others, but have no preference for one advanced curriculum over another. We also understand that the availability of advanced coursework varies significantly from school to school. For matriculating students, top scores on AP or IB exams can, in some cases, be used for the purposes of course placement or acceleration (i.e. completing the requirements for an undergraduate degree in fewer than 8 semesters). Details of the Yale College policies on acceleration are available in the Yale College Programs of Study.

Link:

https://admissions.yale.edu/faq/applying-yale-college#faq_category_page-page-14

Colleges expect students to take the most rigorous coursework accessible at their school system. Yale knows that FCPS offers AP courses, and receives a ton of FCPS applicants having taken the most challenging AP exams scoring a 4 or 5. And then they may receive a few fcps applicants who avoided taking the challenging AP course offered to them and instead enrolled in a community college DE course for a GPA bump. Who do you think they would select?