Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Blake and Ryan are melting down behind the scenes. Apparently that boomer Ari thought it was 1998 and he can control the narrative. The jig is up. Pay the innocent man you tried to destroy off lies and smears tens of millions and go live a quiet life with your fake lavender marriage in upstate New York. Careers are over, nobody will find these two palatable moving forward. Good riddance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do I still see 800-word posts on here? Didn't that pro-Lively poster proclaim she was leaving to discuss this case with the "sensible" pro-Lively camp?

Nah, their contract was extended.

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^ and BL shills are all over Reddit. People are noticing. Which is so ironic. Blake accuses justin of a PR campaign against her… while she runs a PR campaign against him.

People are taking screen shots to save 😜

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Anonymous wrote:We are quickly approaching the FOFO stage for Lively and her supporters.

Ryan and Blake’s supporters are not real. As soon as the money spigot is turned off, they will all disappear. Justin and the other victims aren’t paying any shills and bot farms, they have organic support.

I am a real person who supports Blake's claims. I wouldn't say I'm a "Ryan and Blake" supporter -- I don't really care about them as actors or celebs. But I think what she's alleging likely happened and that it's not right for a woman to be treated that way on a film set by a director. I am a survivor of workplace harassment and sexual assault, and have worked as an advocate for SA/SH survivors since then (through the same organization where I found solace when I was dealing with PTSD from my experience).

I don't think Blake's experience is the worst example of SH I've ever heard of, far from it, and certainly she's better resourced and supported than the vast majority of survivors. But that's a reason to support her, not to dismiss her. Most survivors don't have the means or support system to get justice. I didn't -- I quit my job, dealt with my harasser saying negative things about me to former colleagues and preemptively calling me a liar and criticizing my mental health to pre-empt me coming forward with allegations, went into a different industry, got therapy, and moved on. It was unsatisfying but the best outcome for me, as I know trying to sue would have been horrible to go through and I didn't have a good support system at the time. But that makes it all the more important for people who are in a position to litigate, and who can deal with the inevitable character attacks and expenses, to do so.

FTR, if it came out that it was all a lie and that Baldoni was great on set and she made up all these allegations, I will retract my support. But right now I believe her and would like to hear from witnesses and hear both Baldoni and Lively testify. I think she'll be proven truthful in the end, I just hope people listen to her.

But that’s the thing, she shouldn’t have to show he was great onset. It could have been a poorly run set and he could not have been great, that doesn’t mean that he sexually harassed her. That’s the problem I have with her claims. I’ve no doubt that she experienced some discomfort, but I don’t think it meets the bar of sexual harassment.

It is within his realm to ask her to do certain scenes and she didn’t want to do them so she didn’t do them. If that conversation is uncomfortable you should not be an actress doing these kinds of movies. You simply shouldn’t. she had a ton of people supporting her, she was never not without her assistant and team on set with her and then the moment she felt uncomfortable she had her very powerful husband and a Sony producer. She was much more powerful than him and had a set of ridiculous harassing behaviors on her own. Inviting someone to your apartment so your husband can berate him is harassment. Constantly having your lawyer send threatening letters that you’re going to quit and derailed the movie is harassment. Violating his right as a director to get in the editing bay when she had no way to do that is harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

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Anonymous wrote:We are quickly approaching the FOFO stage for Lively and her supporters.

Ryan and Blake’s supporters are not real. As soon as the money spigot is turned off, they will all disappear. Justin and the other victims aren’t paying any shills and bot farms, they have organic support.

I am a real person who supports Blake's claims. I wouldn't say I'm a "Ryan and Blake" supporter -- I don't really care about them as actors or celebs. But I think what she's alleging likely happened and that it's not right for a woman to be treated that way on a film set by a director. I am a survivor of workplace harassment and sexual assault, and have worked as an advocate for SA/SH survivors since then (through the same organization where I found solace when I was dealing with PTSD from my experience).

I don't think Blake's experience is the worst example of SH I've ever heard of, far from it, and certainly she's better resourced and supported than the vast majority of survivors. But that's a reason to support her, not to dismiss her. Most survivors don't have the means or support system to get justice. I didn't -- I quit my job, dealt with my harasser saying negative things about me to former colleagues and preemptively calling me a liar and criticizing my mental health to pre-empt me coming forward with allegations, went into a different industry, got therapy, and moved on. It was unsatisfying but the best outcome for me, as I know trying to sue would have been horrible to go through and I didn't have a good support system at the time. But that makes it all the more important for people who are in a position to litigate, and who can deal with the inevitable character attacks and expenses, to do so.

FTR, if it came out that it was all a lie and that Baldoni was great on set and she made up all these allegations, I will retract my support. But right now I believe her and would like to hear from witnesses and hear both Baldoni and Lively testify. I think she'll be proven truthful in the end, I just hope people listen to her.

But that’s the thing, she shouldn’t have to show he was great onset. It could have been a poorly run set and he could not have been great, that doesn’t mean that he sexually harassed her. That’s the problem I have with her claims. I’ve no doubt that she experienced some discomfort, but I don’t think it meets the bar of sexual harassment.

It is within his realm to ask her to do certain scenes and she didn’t want to do them so she didn’t do them. If that conversation is uncomfortable you should not be an actress doing these kinds of movies. You simply shouldn’t. she had a ton of people supporting her, she was never not without her assistant and team on set with her and then the moment she felt uncomfortable she had her very powerful husband and a Sony producer. She was much more powerful than him and had a set of ridiculous harassing behaviors on her own. Inviting someone to your apartment so your husband can berate him is harassment. Constantly having your lawyer send threatening letters that you’re going to quit and derailed the movie is harassment. Violating his right as a director to get in the editing bay when she had no way to do that is harassment.

DP, but I disagree that the examples you give of Lively "harassing" Baldoni are harassment.

Inviting Baldoni to their apartment to have work-related meetings about issues related to the production (including Baldoni's completely inappropriate decision to ask Lively's trainer for her weight, something the trainer immediately tracked as problematic behavior which is why he told Blake and Ryan right after it occurred) was convenient because Wayfarer did not have NY offices and when these meetings occurred, the movie was not in production (meetings that occurred during production appear to have taken place on set). Were Baldoni/Wayfarer providing another location for meetings to take place? Baldoni must have been in a hotel or rental during this time, it's unlikely it was as big or comfortable as Lively's apartment, which likely has office space and meeting since they have so many business ventures and likely use it a lot for those purposes.

It was inappropriate for Ryan to yell at Baldoni but it was also unprofessional and inappropriate for Baldoni to ask his lead actress's personal trainer to disclose her weight.

A lawyer making contract demands and threatening that his client may walk if they are not met is a business negotiation, not harassment. It sounds like Lively's lawyer/agent drive very hard bargains. I'm sure that is frustrating to deal with but it's also not uncommon in Hollywood and filmmaking is a weird business to be in if you think a lawyer being a tough negotiator is a form of "harassment." Grow up.

Lively got the okay from Sony for her work in the editing bay. The DGA guidelines for directors are just guidelines, and Baldoni has not produced evidence that this was a violation of any contract. He also isn't suing Sony over the editing or their decision to release Blake's cut. That's called a "creative dispute" and there's no evidence that Lively actually "harassed" him about it. Rather, she asked for and received editing time with her own editing team to produce a cut of the film that Sony ultimately okayed and that went on to make an insane amount of money, including for Baldoni. That's not harassment.

Meanwhile, Lively is alleging that Baldoni touched her inappropriately, that Baldoni and Heath entered her trailer without knocking while she was undressed, that they pressured her to do unscripted nudity and unscripted sexual scenarios on screen, that they failed to fully close the set or cut feeds to monitors when Lively was performing an intimate childbirth scene wearing only a hospital gown and a pair of briefs, that Baldoni repeatedly claimed to be communing with her dead father, that Heath (at Baldoni's direction) showed her an intimate video of his nude wife without asking permission first, etc. These are examples of harassing behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

Hah.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and BL shills are all over Reddit. People are noticing. Which is so ironic. Blake accuses justin of a PR campaign against her… while she runs a PR campaign against him.

People are taking screen shots to save 😜

I think it's funny that when Baldoni supporters post on Reddit, you think that's evidence that "the public" is totally on his side.

But when Lively supporters post on Reddit, that's evidence of a PR campaign.

I'm a Lively supporter and no one is paying me to post in support of her. I wish they were! I recently got laid off and could use the money. But alas, I'm just posting my actual thoughts. Take all the screenshots you want, maybe if you look at it enough, eventually you'll realize I'm right.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

They deserve every cent. Blake and Ryan (and any of their lawyers, management, et al. who helped conspire and carry out this evil scheme) should be bankrupted.

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Oops, we tried to used all of our Hollywood and media muscle to permanently destroy your life, career, businesses, reputation, and family, and for the rest of your and your kids' lives, strangers would presumably assume you're a de facto predatory rapist. How about we just let bygones be bygones and all walk away quietly from this and pretend that NY Times hit piece and all the blog hit pieces echoing it won't exist on Google forever. As if. A jury verdict of a billion dollars would be sweet justice and a warning to any other abusive power drunk scammers in Hollywood, media, tech and big business to never try to pull a similar hoax scam.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

Thank you!

IMO the amount of damages he is claiming here is bananas and is itself a tool to try to force Lively to settle as quickly as possible. And Baldoni can do it because he has the backing of a billionaire.

Basically, Lively has put herself out there as a punching bag to take the beating that female accusers always get — every single time!! — while Baldoni supporters go on and on about what a nice guy he is and how he deserves his $400M. In what world is this company/man etc experiencing $400M economic damages?

People get taken in by this distracting nonsense every single time. Nathan was right — it’s amazing how much people just want to hate on women.

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I funny argument I see Baldoni supporters making on Reddit recently that these amicus briefs are "plants" because Lively's legal team is involved with some of these non-profits.

Alternatively: Lively's legal team is filled with people who have been deeply involved in supporting survivors of sexual violence and discrimination for a long time, and they chose to represent Lively and the organizations they are affiliated are choosing to back her with these briefs. You would think that would give people pause, that maybe there is more to Lively's allegations than a lot of people seem willing to believe.

Usually people who have spent years supporting and representing real survivors would not be willing to throw that away on someone lying about harassment to try and "steal a movie." Do you just think all these people are stupid? Lively has just tricked dozens of highly educated and successful lawyers and survivor advocates?

I've seen her acting -- she's not that good!

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

They deserve every cent. Blake and Ryan (and any of their lawyers, management, et al. who helped conspire and carry out this evil scheme) should be bankrupted.

In what world do these people deserve a billion dollars? Like spell it out. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:^ and BL shills are all over Reddit. People are noticing. Which is so ironic. Blake accuses justin of a PR campaign against her… while she runs a PR campaign against him.

People are taking screen shots to save 😜

I think it's funny that when Baldoni supporters post on Reddit, you think that's evidence that "the public" is totally on his side.

But when Lively supporters post on Reddit, that's evidence of a PR campaign.

I'm a Lively supporter and no one is paying me to post in support of her. I wish they were! I recently got laid off and could use the money. But alas, I'm just posting my actual thoughts. Take all the screenshots you want, maybe if you look at it enough, eventually you'll realize I'm right.

ONE OF US! ONE OF US! (Sorry about your job though.)

Also, totally agree with you. Somehow everyone on this side is supposed to be getting paid but my check must be in the mail I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the realistic over/under cash settlement offer? $40 million + NDA and non-disparagement clause? Congrats to Ryan for working on his last super hero movie for free. lol

I think much higher, given The NY Times article was almost career ending.

I honestly think Baldoni supporters are delusional. You think BL & RR are going to agree to a settlement for OVER $40 million? Because there was a NYT article -- that they didn't write and that will absolutely not end up getting the NYT in trouble -- that was "almost" career ending?? That's more than 100x his salary in IEWU! There's no evidence he would ever in his life have earned close to that much much less that they caused him to lose that much.

There are multiple defendants seeking compensatory damages. That is not just for Justin. Some of you are too stupid to breath.

They still need to prove damages, not just ask for a percentage of the random number Baldoni/Wayfarer requested. And most of the defendants weren't defamed or really have any cognizable claims (Sarowitz). Publishing text messages Abel made on her work phone isn't defamation.

DP. Actually you don’t need to ‘prove’ damages at all. You show some info, but the jury decides. You think hulk hogan proved he was damager for $100+ m over a video of him having sex when he constantly bragged about his sexual prowess?

You need to educate yourself bc most of what you say is just dead wrong

DP but that's what it means to "prove" damages -- you convince a jury that the damages are justified. Hogan proved to the jury that the embarrassment and invasion of privacy from having that video come out was worth $140 million. I disagree, but I wasn't on that jury. I'm guessing they appealed to how the jurors themselves would feel if a similar video of them was made public.

Pp the point I’m trying to make to the person constantly crowing about Baldonis financials and ‘how could he expect that much??!!!’ is that the ‘proof’ of damages and the amount are essentially never tied to tangible financial loss. So she needs to STFU already

There are two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages, which are absolutely tied to tangible financial loss (often based on expert testimony about, for instance, the value of lost property or the lost profits from a business venture, etc.) and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are supposed to literally compensate the plaintiff for losses related to the alleged claim and do need to be based on something real.

You are talking about punitive damages, which are meant to punish the defendant for the wrongness of their actions. This is an amount above and beyond the actual financial losses or expenses a plaintiff may have incurred. Juries have more latitude in awarding punitive damages (though judges also have some latitude in bringing down a really huge punitive award and this happens with some regularity. Punitive damages are not always allowed -- they are generally meant to apply only to cases where the behavior is very egregious or willful.

There are also jurisdictions that have treble damages, which is where the the compensatory damages amount is multiplied or in some cases added to. Treble damages are a form of punitive damages but are more directly linked to the compensatory damage decision, making the determination of compensatory damages extra important in these jurisdictions.

Baldoni has asked for $400 million in compensatory damages, which his complaint say will include "consequential damages, lost wages, earnings, and all other sums of money, together with interest on those amounts."

He is ALSO asking for pain and suffering (a form of compensatory damages but a squishier one -- it's meant to compensate the plaintiff for their negative experience caused by the defendant's actions), as well as punitive damages. While he specifies the $400 million for compensatory damages, he leaves pain and suffering and punitive damages open ended.

If you are going to lecture people on how damages work in civil actions, the very least you could do is supply good info. Otherwise, respectfully, it is you who should (quoting here) "STFU."

For one, it’s not just Baldoni. It’s multiple parties, and the rest of your post is just your typical PR blather.

But to clarify for you again, Hulk hogan was awarded over 100m just for compensatory damages. Not including punitive. So yes, STFU

1) Explaining the law is not "PR blather." The above comment is not pro-Lively or pro-Baldoni. It simply lays out damages work in civil cases. If those facts somehow undermine your belief system around this case, that's a you problem.

2) Hogan's damage award had three parts. He received $55 million in compensatory economic damages, $60 million for "emotional distress", and $25.1 million in punitive damages. Baldoni and the other Wayfarer parties are claiming $400 million in economic damages and asking for an unspecified amount for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. As mentioned in the above comment, emotional distress or "pain and suffering" damages sort of straddle the line between compensatory and punitive -- they are technically compensatory but they are not as well defined as economic damages, so it can be a way to sneak in a punitive element to compensatory damages. If you follow the Hogan formula for estimating pain and suffering and punitive damages, Baldoni et al would get somewhere in the ballpark of $1.019 billion dollars if they received the full requested 400m in economic damages to start.

Thank you!

IMO the amount of damages he is claiming here is bananas and is itself a tool to try to force Lively to settle as quickly as possible. And Baldoni can do it because he has the backing of a billionaire.

Basically, Lively has put herself out there as a punching bag to take the beating that female accusers always get — every single time!! — while Baldoni supporters go on and on about what a nice guy he is and how he deserves his $400M. In what world is this company/man etc experiencing $400M economic damages?

People get taken in by this distracting nonsense every single time. Nathan was right — it’s amazing how much people just want to hate on women.

Even her best friends know she is lying. Wonder what it will take for you to realize.