Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Jen Hatmaker is the mean girl at Bible camp.

[Anonymous]

Notice how Jen has ZERO women of color in her inner circle that she hasn’t paid or been paid to be around.

This is why people are so distrustful of her type of “allyship”. You want to talk about race relations? Then show you can maintain genuine friendships with racialized people outside of the ones you collect like Pokemon cards.

[Anonymous]

The fake niceties and pretending from people like Jen is the absolute worse because they’ll never really let you in unless they feel they can completely control you.

[Anonymous]

Jen Hatmaker is what happens when selfishness meets pride.

[Anonymous]

You know how it can feel good to be around someone who is comfortable and authentic and real? Jen is like the opposite of that - listening to her i feel tense and icky because she is just so fake and performative and trying so hard to be better (smarter, wiser, funner, prettier, more healed, more successful, more evolved, more popular, cooler, hipper, funnier, sexier, BETTER) than me and everyone else. It’s gotten worse and worse the last few years and must be exhausting and makes me wonder how she still has friends.

[Anonymous]

Has Jen said anything about the key necklace she now always wears? I assume it’s connected to her faux boyfriend but I don’t know. If it is a key to his place, wearing it is one of the most immature things she’s done yet. And that’s saying a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jen Hatmaker is the mean girl at Bible camp.

Oh yeah. This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
From the transcript of her latest podcast:
“Yes, and also abusive. And when I got to kind of pull up 50,000 feet and look down on that and realize that, first of all, not only is the cognitive dissonance untenable, you just simply cannot relegate an all-loving God with eternal damnation, torment. Those don't match.”

A few sentences later:

“It is not true at all.
And certainly about the idea of hell.”

And later in the discussion:
“And they're always like, Mom, we know you don't believe in hell anymore. We're not afraid of it, okay? I'm like, well, you know what?
This exploration is safe because there's no hell. They're like, we know. You keep telling us.”

Jen used to hold to fairly traditional mainstream Christian views, and now, all of a sudden, she just changes course without explaining the change in her thought process.

She can say that she has done the work of deconstructing, but she really hasn't done any actual work. Changing your mind about something either because 1) it doesn't align with how you want to live your life now or 2) society has changed and doesn't want to hear it anymore isn't "doing the work." It's actually pretty easy to change your position to go with the flow.

There are a lot of people who don't believe in hell, but has she ever explained why she has changed her mind on this and NOW it's not real?

You can disagree with the purity culture of the 90's and still recognize that casual meaningless $ex can sometimes be problematic. Her $ex Me Course and all of her recent discussions with her $expert are for everyone: single, dating, married, etc. Did she ever say, "I used to believe this about $sex, but I believe that the Bible clearly says that it is okay for me to have carnal relations with my boyfriend before we get married." (Or even if we don't get married. Also, whether they are actually "doing it" has been questioned.)

Did she ever say, "Look. I used to believe that the Bible said such and such about homosexuality. Now that I have done some research and compared some texts, I believe that I was wrong." From what I have seen, her daughter came out or was struggling with coming out, and BOOM! now we don't believe any of that anymore.

The problem is that she just wakes up one morning and says, "I now believe this, so this is the truth." And everyone just is supposed to accept it. Which I think she would say was the problem in the past with a lot of churches - just believing what was said from the pulpit without actually studying the Bible to see if that is what was actually said. Now SHE can just come on a podcast or write an IG post and say, "You know what? Hell doesn't exist. $ex? No rules!! Gays? It's not in there."

I would have a lot more respect for her if she would at least pretend to back up some of what she says instead of just changing the narrative and hoping that no one notices how she has flip-flopped her position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From the transcript of her latest podcast:
“Yes, and also abusive. And when I got to kind of pull up 50,000 feet and look down on that and realize that, first of all, not only is the cognitive dissonance untenable, you just simply cannot relegate an all-loving God with eternal damnation, torment. Those don't match.”

A few sentences later:

“It is not true at all.
And certainly about the idea of hell.”

And later in the discussion:
“And they're always like, Mom, we know you don't believe in hell anymore. We're not afraid of it, okay? I'm like, well, you know what?
This exploration is safe because there's no hell. They're like, we know. You keep telling us.”

Jen used to hold to fairly traditional mainstream Christian views, and now, all of a sudden, she just changes course without explaining the change in her thought process.

She can say that she has done the work of deconstructing, but she really hasn't done any actual work. Changing your mind about something either because 1) it doesn't align with how you want to live your life now or 2) society has changed and doesn't want to hear it anymore isn't "doing the work." It's actually pretty easy to change your position to go with the flow.

There are a lot of people who don't believe in hell, but has she ever explained why she has changed her mind on this and NOW it's not real?

You can disagree with the purity culture of the 90's and still recognize that casual meaningless $ex can sometimes be problematic. Her $ex Me Course and all of her recent discussions with her $expert are for everyone: single, dating, married, etc. Did she ever say, "I used to believe this about $sex, but I believe that the Bible clearly says that it is okay for me to have carnal relations with my boyfriend before we get married." (Or even if we don't get married. Also, whether they are actually "doing it" has been questioned.)

Did she ever say, "Look. I used to believe that the Bible said such and such about homosexuality. Now that I have done some research and compared some texts, I believe that I was wrong." From what I have seen, her daughter came out or was struggling with coming out, and BOOM! now we don't believe any of that anymore.

The problem is that she just wakes up one morning and says, "I now believe this, so this is the truth." And everyone just is supposed to accept it. Which I think she would say was the problem in the past with a lot of churches - just believing what was said from the pulpit without actually studying the Bible to see if that is what was actually said. Now SHE can just come on a podcast or write an IG post and say, "You know what? Hell doesn't exist. $ex? No rules!! Gays? It's not in there."

I would have a lot more respect for her if she would at least pretend to back up some of what she says instead of just changing the narrative and hoping that no one notices how she has flip-flopped her position.

Your flaw in this is that Jen isn't a thinker. She hasn't connected those dots for her readers because she has not connected them for herself. If you sat with her one-on-one and asked her to explain her rationale for these questions you posed, she probably could not. Someone at some point, when she was on top of her game, told her she needed to appeal to the secular crowd more. I know her "team" has shrunk with her book sales, social media following, and her popularity in general, but I'm sure someone somewhere advises her on what her target market wants to hear from her. Badly, I suspect, but that's subjective.

I'm not calling Jen stupid but she is what my mama would have called "simple." But she's cute and this is the internet and I'm certain the accolades she gets from whatever peabrains are out there are affirming. She has the megaphone and a scripted message that is cobbled together by cut/paste liberal talking points and drivel that makes people feel good about their choices.

[Anonymous]

Your flaw in this is that Jen isn't a thinker. She hasn't connected those dots for her readers because she has not connected them for herself. If you sat with her one-on-one and asked her to explain her rationale for these questions you posed, she probably could not. Someone at some point, when she was on top of her game, told her she needed to appeal to the secular crowd more. I know her "team" has shrunk with her book sales, social media following, and her popularity in general, but I'm sure someone somewhere advises her on what her target market wants to hear from her. Badly, I suspect, but that's subjective.

I'm not calling Jen stupid but she is what my mama would have called "simple." But she's cute and this is the internet and I'm certain the accolades she gets from whatever peabrains are out there are affirming. She has the megaphone and a scripted message that is cobbled together by cut/paste liberal talking points and drivel that makes people feel good about their choices.

[Anonymous]

Well her big news is out of the bag... Big sis is getting promoted to grandma! I will say, the video she posted of it was pretty sweet and felt authentic and unrehearsed. I guess she didn't know they were recording her.

[Anonymous]

OK that was actually cute and authentic.

[Anonymous]

Have tears in my eyes. Love this Jen so much. She’s gonna be a grandma ❤️

[Anonymous]

Bless Gavin and Daniel. I don’t think she’s even 3 months yet.

[Anonymous]

I was thinking why does it have to be recorded? Is everything a performance? Even her kids think that way.