Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

I can understand having policy issues with Biden, but we're faced with a choice between the continuation of democracy as we know it, or the complete collapse into fascism. Trump has told us what he's going to do and Republicans absolutely will not provide any guardrails if he gets a second term. Not voting is simply not an option; the preservation of your purity will be an empty, hollow personal victory.

Well the choice comes down to continuing unconditional support for Israel vs the end of US democracy….and you pick unconditional support for Israel. Unusually the presidential candidate or any candidate will move off an unpopular policy vs lose an election. It seems Biden’s and your purity on Israel will cost the US its democracy. I guess you can run off to Israel when that happens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

My sentiments are exactly the same, I won’t vote for Trump but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden, I just can’t. I am a very logical and practical person but in this case I can’t get past his continued support of Israel.

The thing is that zionists maybe giving him money but they can’t provide the votes.

Trump will be the Schindler of our time. The atrocities are so unpalatable that even a professional scoundrel will take a moral standing.

There have been a lot of deeply offensive things posted in these Gaza threads. Equating Trump to Oskar Schindler may be the worst of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

I can understand having policy issues with Biden, but we're faced with a choice between the continuation of democracy as we know it, or the complete collapse into fascism. Trump has told us what he's going to do and Republicans absolutely will not provide any guardrails if he gets a second term. Not voting is simply not an option; the preservation of your purity will be an empty, hollow personal victory.

Well the choice comes down to continuing unconditional support for Israel vs the end of US democracy….and you pick unconditional support for Israel. Unusually the presidential candidate or any candidate will move off an unpopular policy vs lose an election. It seems Biden’s and your purity on Israel will cost the US its democracy. I guess you can run off to Israel when that happens?

Thank you for writing this, I couldn’t put my thoughts in good words and I completely agree with what you have written.

[Anonymous]

U.S. and Israel’s ‘Unprecedented’ Intelligence Sharing Draws Criticism
As deaths mount in Gaza, some question whether American-provided information is adding to the humanitarian crisis
WASHINGTON—A secret memorandum that expanded intelligence sharing with Israel after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack has led to growing concerns in Washington about whether the information is contributing to civilian deaths, according

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-and-israels-unprecedented-intelligence-sharing-draws-criticism-a85979b4

Sources are concerned that there is a lack of control over whether US-supplied intel is being used in attacks that target civilians.

Concerns over information sharing match those concerning the transfer of weapons to the occupation as the death toll in Gaza nears 33,000.

The memorandum was issued immediately after Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on October 7, US sources reported. Although the current administration issued NSM-20, a document that represents a global policy allegedly aimed at strengthening safeguards and accountability for arms transfers, there has been no such issue with intelligence.

In an interview for WSJ, Rep. Jason Crow (D., Colo.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, expressed concern about "making sure our intelligence sharing is consistent with our values and our national-security interests," adding that what the US was sharing with the occupation now was not "advancing our interests."

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/record-us-intel-sharing-with--israel--deepens-complicity-in


From what I am hearing we(the US) are supplying much of the targeting information for the Israelis. Almost every strike with unprecedented civilian deaths the targeting information has been supplied by the US.

I wonder how involved we were in the World Central Kitchen strike? There is a lot of chatter about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

Trump and clear conscience don’t really go together so that’s an interesting response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

My sentiments are exactly the same, I won’t vote for Trump but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden, I just can’t. I am a very logical and practical person but in this case I can’t get past his continued support of Israel.

The thing is that zionists maybe giving him money but they can’t provide the votes.

Trump will be the Schindler of our time. The atrocities are so unpalatable that even a professional scoundrel will take a moral standing.

There have been a lot of deeply offensive things posted in these Gaza threads. Equating Trump to Oskar Schindler may be the worst of them.

Here is the thing with Trump. He could care less about Israel.

Trump’s Call for Israel to ‘Finish Up’ War Alarms Some on the Right
Recent remarks he made urging an end to the Gaza conflict, with no insistence on freeing Israeli hostages first, were another departure from conservatives’ support for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Two Israeli journalists traveled to Palm Beach, Fla., a little over a week ago, hoping to elicit from Donald J. Trump a powerful expression of support for their country’s war in Gaza.

Instead, one of them wrote that what they heard from Mr. Trump at Mar-a-Lago “shocked us deeply.”…

… The way Mr. Bolton sees it, when his former boss warns Mr. Netanyahu that his image is failing, “he’s not worried about Israel’s image. He’s worried about his if he has to defend it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the U.S. allows itself to be pushed around by the piss ant that is Israel. To be against U.S. support of Israel does not mean pro-Hamas. Biden needs to make it clear to Israel that the U.S. will not continue to support and defend. Enough. And no more supplying them arms.

You don't know WHY? The naivete is startling.

No-- I dont know why. I'm not an anti-semite and dont believe jews have super powers. I completely understand why we supported Israel way back when but now when we have gotten over many of the pathologies that allowed us to overlook the Nakba and have the Geneva convention and have a whole new world order. It makes no sense. I think that Israel is well established enough as nation now to stand on its own, the plo are weak and hamas has no friends in the region, they are established as a nation to figure this out without us torpedoing ALL the good will we have in the world over their right wing insanity. I cannot understand how strategically it makes sense to leapfrog over congress to defeat Hamas but let Ukrainians founder against Russia. The Canaanite have been fighting since millennia, let them all kill and rape each other, containing Russia is not a side plot- it's something we need for our own survival. Supporting Israel is something we do for "morals' , but containing Russia and protecting Nato is for our house and home, and that comes first. Supporting this rogue nation that goes against everything we believe is going to make our economy weaker and our enemies stronger, the entire emerging economies of the global south have beef with Israel. Not just b/c of pro-palestine but b/c Israel sold arms to dictators that were later defeated in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

So it's willful blindness in your case then? Let's run a quick experiment. Let's allow dual Chinese/American nationals to hold 40% of Cabinet posts, a good 30-50% of key sector business roles, judiciary roles, form an organization similar to AIPAC that buys off or threaten every single US candidate or official. I wonder if our policy towards China will change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

My sentiments are exactly the same, I won’t vote for Trump but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden, I just can’t. I am a very logical and practical person but in this case I can’t get past his continued support of Israel.

The thing is that zionists maybe giving him money but they can’t provide the votes.

Trump will be the Schindler of our time. The atrocities are so unpalatable that even a professional scoundrel will take a moral standing.

There have been a lot of deeply offensive things posted in these Gaza threads. Equating Trump to Oskar Schindler may be the worst of them.

The most offensive thing is butchers crying out victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

Trump and clear conscience don’t really go together so that’s an interesting response.

I will not voting for Trump, I won’t vote for Biden either, he doesn’t represent American values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

Trump and clear conscience don’t really go together so that’s an interesting response.

I will not voting for Trump, I won’t vote for Biden either, he doesn’t represent American values.

Who represents American values to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

U.S. and Israel’s ‘Unprecedented’ Intelligence Sharing Draws Criticism
As deaths mount in Gaza, some question whether American-provided information is adding to the humanitarian crisis
WASHINGTON—A secret memorandum that expanded intelligence sharing with Israel after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack has led to growing concerns in Washington about whether the information is contributing to civilian deaths, according

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-and-israels-unprecedented-intelligence-sharing-draws-criticism-a85979b4

Sources are concerned that there is a lack of control over whether US-supplied intel is being used in attacks that target civilians.

Concerns over information sharing match those concerning the transfer of weapons to the occupation as the death toll in Gaza nears 33,000.

The memorandum was issued immediately after Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on October 7, US sources reported. Although the current administration issued NSM-20, a document that represents a global policy allegedly aimed at strengthening safeguards and accountability for arms transfers, there has been no such issue with intelligence.

In an interview for WSJ, Rep. Jason Crow (D., Colo.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, expressed concern about "making sure our intelligence sharing is consistent with our values and our national-security interests," adding that what the US was sharing with the occupation now was not "advancing our interests."

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/record-us-intel-sharing-with--israel--deepens-complicity-in


From what I am hearing we(the US) are supplying much of the targeting information for the Israelis. Almost every strike with unprecedented civilian deaths the targeting information has been supplied by the US.

I wonder how involved we were in the World Central Kitchen strike? There is a lot of chatter about it.

We beta-tested this in Ukraine and everyone clapped. No one should be surprised this is now being rolled out on the main stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

I can understand having policy issues with Biden, but we're faced with a choice between the continuation of democracy as we know it, or the complete collapse into fascism. Trump has told us what he's going to do and Republicans absolutely will not provide any guardrails if he gets a second term. Not voting is simply not an option; the preservation of your purity will be an empty, hollow personal victory.

Well the choice comes down to continuing unconditional support for Israel vs the end of US democracy….and you pick unconditional support for Israel. Unusually the presidential candidate or any candidate will move off an unpopular policy vs lose an election. It seems Biden’s and your purity on Israel will cost the US its democracy. I guess you can run off to Israel when that happens?

Or you could put it this way - which is more likely to happen? It's more likely that US support of Israel will weaken than for US democracy to end. So, people are willing to either withhold their vote, or to vote for Trump. There's also a massive generational divide. Young people, who are already unlikely to vote, are even less likely to turn out for Biden, whom they see as complicit in the mass murders of the children of Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Genocide Joe is making his choice. A voting for him means that you're fine with being complicit in bombing and starving children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

Trump and clear conscience don’t really go together so that’s an interesting response.

I will not voting for Trump, I won’t vote for Biden either, he doesn’t represent American values.

The current White House represents Democrat and Obama values. OR is there a Democrat politician across America who is speaking out against the insanity of what’s going on in the Democrat Party? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genocide Joe is making his choice. A voting for him means that you're fine with being complicit in bombing and starving children

Genocide Joe is a great fictional villain figure invented by Russia to put Trump back in the White House. Too bad young people are too naive to see it.