Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it solely Bibi's fault?

Poll after poll says its the majority of Israeli society supports what they are doing to the Palestinians.

Agreed. Quit giving the Israelis a free pass.

[Anonymous]

The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

My sentiments are exactly the same, I won’t vote for Trump but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden, I just can’t. I am a very logical and practical person but in this case I can’t get past his continued support of Israel.

The thing is that zionists maybe giving him money but they can’t provide the votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reports of several aid workers with World Central Kitchen killed in an IDF strike. One was a British citizen.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-attack-strike-world-central-kitchen-b2521784.html

I wonder how long before it turns out that they (or their driver) were members of Hamas. Just like the other “journalists,” UNWRA, and others who ended up dying.

But at the very least, this is exactly why Israel is limiting access to Gaza to these groups. An active war zone is no place for poorly trained wanna-be go-golfers to hang out.

but its only Israel that does this- armies never bombed each other's field hospitals, even though obviously there were enemy combatants inside recovering, not even the Nazis did that but Israel has. Aid and hospital workers go into active warzones all the time- there were workers distributing food, tents etc in syria, in Ukraine, all over the world and NO army from a UN recognized state entity has bombed or killed them. the IDF is a very incompetent force compared to the wagner force, the Russian conscripts, Assad's army, basically all the other places where war is being waged. there are UN aid workers in the Sudan and Congo right now who are also caught in a non contested genocide with war lords and the warlord's soldiers are managing to avoid killing the aid workers. there are aid workers in Haiti and the armed gangs are managing to avoid killing the aid workers, its just the IDF that is incapable despite the massive amount of modern warfare equipment available to them to avoid hitting a non-militarized road with a convoy on it that was in contact with the IDF and keeping them informed of their movement. The IDF fights like Jesus was telling it to distribute charity- the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think that with the incredible targeted killing of senior officials that Israel is conducting (see Damascus) that we might start to be grateful that they are taking out some of these extremists! It’s kind of impressive really.

It's about time someone took action against Iran. Biden should have done it long ago given the attacks that have happened by Iran's proxies on US troops. Glad Israel has the cojones to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

That's my worry too. I will of course never vote for Trump, but there's a chance I won't vote because I can't vote for Biden if he doesn't take a stand on Israel. His unyielding support straight out of the gate after Oct was understandable. His views are based on decades of presumed support for Israel (not to mention lots of contracts for our weapons companies), but he has not shifted quickly and decisively enough to convey disagreement with the Israel of today.

My sentiments are exactly the same, I won’t vote for Trump but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden, I just can’t. I am a very logical and practical person but in this case I can’t get past his continued support of Israel.

The thing is that zionists maybe giving him money but they can’t provide the votes.

Trump will be the Schindler of our time. The atrocities are so unpalatable that even a professional scoundrel will take a moral standing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the U.S. allows itself to be pushed around by the piss ant that is Israel. To be against U.S. support of Israel does not mean pro-Hamas. Biden needs to make it clear to Israel that the U.S. will not continue to support and defend. Enough. And no more supplying them arms.

You don't know WHY? The naivete is startling.

No-- I dont know why. I'm not an anti-semite and dont believe jews have super powers. I completely understand why we supported Israel way back when but now when we have gotten over many of the pathologies that allowed us to overlook the Nakba and have the Geneva convention and have a whole new world order. It makes no sense. I think that Israel is well established enough as nation now to stand on its own, the plo are weak and hamas has no friends in the region, they are established as a nation to figure this out without us torpedoing ALL the good will we have in the world over their right wing insanity. I cannot understand how strategically it makes sense to leapfrog over congress to defeat Hamas but let Ukrainians founder against Russia. The Canaanite have been fighting since millennia, let them all kill and rape each other, containing Russia is not a side plot- it's something we need for our own survival. Supporting Israel is something we do for "morals' , but containing Russia and protecting Nato is for our house and home, and that comes first. Supporting this rogue nation that goes against everything we believe is going to make our economy weaker and our enemies stronger, the entire emerging economies of the global south have beef with Israel. Not just b/c of pro-palestine but b/c Israel sold arms to dictators that were later defeated in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

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Anonymous wrote:I want the US to officially revoke its support of Israel in any capacity. We can be Switzerland and sit the fence. I used to be a supporter of Israel. Now I actively loathe Israel. What Israel is doing is criminal.

+1

and now you see why much of the world hates the U.S. as we have killed an inordinate amount of civilians in our military campaigns around the world and back.

[Anonymous]

People like us aren’t voting for Biden bc voting is the only power we have to say hey our voice matters too. You can’t support a genocidal regime without consequences. I personally don’t think Biden has done anything great domestically with his term either. They both suck but those are the options being presented to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

I can understand having policy issues with Biden, but we're faced with a choice between the continuation of democracy as we know it, or the complete collapse into fascism. Trump has told us what he's going to do and Republicans absolutely will not provide any guardrails if he gets a second term. Not voting is simply not an option; the preservation of your purity will be an empty, hollow personal victory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think that with the incredible targeted killing of senior officials that Israel is conducting (see Damascus) that we might start to be grateful that they are taking out some of these extremists! It’s kind of impressive really.

It's about time someone took action against Iran. Biden should have done it long ago given the attacks that have happened by Iran's proxies on US troops. Glad Israel has the cojones to do it.

Getting dragged into another quagmire in the middle east won't go as well as you think it will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think that with the incredible targeted killing of senior officials that Israel is conducting (see Damascus) that we might start to be grateful that they are taking out some of these extremists! It’s kind of impressive really.

It's about time someone took action against Iran. Biden should have done it long ago given the attacks that have happened by Iran's proxies on US troops. Glad Israel has the cojones to do it.

Why? Iran is a better state actor vs Israel.