Another ICE Shooting in Minnesota

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that MN has extremely low levels of ICE activity (as compared with states like CA, AZ, TX, FL) yet so very many issues. Protestors, injuries, incidents etc. Why??

I live in a very blue area (all Democratic gov, US Senators, Mayor, local government etc) that is majority brown, 30min from the Mexican border, see border patrol and/or ICE in town daily and we have absolutely NONE of these issues. No protestors (beyond a few people quietly holding signs), no major news stories, no dramas, property damage, people interfering or getting hurt.

What is the deal with Minnesota????

They are purposely creating a show in Minnesota

What they have done is create a training ground, and it's not for ICE.

It's for regular citizens. Not to shoot at ICE, because that hasn't happened, and not to storm buildings, because that hasn't happen there.

It's showed the rest of the country what hundreds of thousands of people walking in protest looks like.

It's prompted discussions about "what would you do" and spread photos showing the exact parallels with Nazi Germany.

You better bet that moving into Philadelphia with this energy, or Denver, or Boston, or Albuquerque, or even Atlanta is not going to get you a dozen people on a street corner somewhere. They just are digging their own hole deeper and deeper with this.

Thanks, Minnesota. I wish the price wasn't so high, but thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Law enforcement is a dangerous job, especially in this country where people are armed.

My DH was a LEO for 30 years dealing with gang members, drug dealers, crack warfare, and drugged out people. He never once shot anybody. Guess what, most of the people he accounted were armed and still he never had the need to shoot or murder anyone. And since he was a LEO in DC, he policed many angry and destructive protestors. He said it was murder from all the videos he has seen. Several former police chiefs are shaking their heads and are just short of calling it murder. It is a dangerous job, but not everybody can do it successfully as these ICE/CBP officers are showing the world. Bad policing is rampant because at this point the agency is hiring anybody with a pulse.

I was a US Customs Special Agent hired in South Florida during the period of “cocaine cowboys” and then spent 30 years investigating mostly “blue collar” crimes such as drug trafficking, violent gangs, child exploitation, war criminals, etc. I only almost had to shoot someone because they pulled out a handgun and pointed it at us at close range (thankfully a quick thinking police officer grabbed it before anything bad happened). In 2003 US Customs was reorganized and the agents were moved to ICE/HSI. Never had any violent interactions during my 11 year tenure there. My colleagues and I are in total disbelief tad to what we are witnessing in MN and elsewhere. Totally avoidable and squarely lies on the shoulder of Trump and his administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Law enforcement is a dangerous job, especially in this country where people are armed.

My DH was a LEO for 30 years dealing with gang members, drug dealers, crack warfare, and drugged out people. He never once shot anybody. Guess what, most of the people he accounted were armed and still he never had the need to shoot or murder anyone. And since he was a LEO in DC, he policed many angry and destructive protestors. He said it was murder from all the videos he has seen. Several former police chiefs are shaking their heads and are just short of calling it murder. It is a dangerous job, but not everybody can do it successfully as these ICE/CBP officers are showing the world. Bad policing is rampant because at this point the agency is hiring anybody with a pulse.

I was a US Customs Special Agent hired in South Florida during the period of “cocaine cowboys” and then spent 30 years investigating mostly “blue collar” crimes such as drug trafficking, violent gangs, child exploitation, war criminals, etc. I only almost had to shoot someone because they pulled out a handgun and pointed it at us at close range (thankfully a quick thinking police officer grabbed it before anything bad happened). In 2003 US Customs was reorganized and the agents were moved to ICE/HSI. Never had any violent interactions during my 11 year tenure there. My colleagues and I are in total disbelief tad to what we are witnessing in MN and elsewhere. Totally avoidable and squarely lies on the shoulder of Trump and his administration.

And on everyone who voted for him. Blood on your hands.

[Anonymous]

Didn't Trump flat-out say that he wanted to use American cities as paramilitary training grounds?

[Anonymous]

I thought republicans were in favor of the 2nd amendment. No constitution anymore.


DHS, ICE and FBI are the same as the state security in Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

Yes they do. But the state government doesn’t actively counter them, which is the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

Can't be interfering with those GOP owning business that employ slave labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

I know. We’re saying the same thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

Can't be interfering with those GOP owning business that employ slave labor.

There were reforms made to H-2A visa program that stopped a lot of the slave labor camps under Biden. Trump removed these reforms. This is also why republicans are not rounding up immigrants in red states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that MN has extremely low levels of ICE activity (as compared with states like CA, AZ, TX, FL) yet so very many issues. Protestors, injuries, incidents etc. Why??

I live in a very blue area (all Democratic gov, US Senators, Mayor, local government etc) that is majority brown, 30min from the Mexican border, see border patrol and/or ICE in town daily and we have absolutely NONE of these issues. No protestors (beyond a few people quietly holding signs), no major news stories, no dramas, property damage, people interfering or getting hurt.

What is the deal with Minnesota????

They are purposely creating a show in Minnesota

What they have done is create a training ground, and it's not for ICE.

It's for regular citizens. Not to shoot at ICE, because that hasn't happened, and not to storm buildings, because that hasn't happen there.

It's showed the rest of the country what hundreds of thousands of people walking in protest looks like.

It's prompted discussions about "what would you do" and spread photos showing the exact parallels with Nazi Germany.

You better bet that moving into Philadelphia with this energy, or Denver, or Boston, or Albuquerque, or even Atlanta is not going to get you a dozen people on a street corner somewhere. They just are digging their own hole deeper and deeper with this.

Thanks, Minnesota. I wish the price wasn't so high, but thanks.

Interesting.
You may be right.
Chicago started the whistles and the filming. Minneapolis seems to have refined neighborhood protections, with people escorting kids from buses and such.

And for sure the price is far, far too high.

[Anonymous]

“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

[Anonymous]

ICE is in red states but it is being done differently because they don’t want to make it look as bad as it does in Minnesota. They are not dumping 1000s of agents into a city all at once and going door to door in neighborhoods. They don’t do showy “Operations” down there like they are doing in blue states. Why do you think they announce themselves when they go into blue cities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Law enforcement is a dangerous job, especially in this country where people are armed.

My DH was a LEO for 30 years dealing with gang members, drug dealers, crack warfare, and drugged out people. He never once shot anybody. Guess what, most of the people he accounted were armed and still he never had the need to shoot or murder anyone. And since he was a LEO in DC, he policed many angry and destructive protestors. He said it was murder from all the videos he has seen. Several former police chiefs are shaking their heads and are just short of calling it murder. It is a dangerous job, but not everybody can do it successfully as these ICE/CBP officers are showing the world. Bad policing is rampant because at this point the agency is hiring anybody with a pulse.

I was a US Customs Special Agent hired in South Florida during the period of “cocaine cowboys” and then spent 30 years investigating mostly “blue collar” crimes such as drug trafficking, violent gangs, child exploitation, war criminals, etc. I only almost had to shoot someone because they pulled out a handgun and pointed it at us at close range (thankfully a quick thinking police officer grabbed it before anything bad happened). In 2003 US Customs was reorganized and the agents were moved to ICE/HSI. Never had any violent interactions during my 11 year tenure there. My colleagues and I are in total disbelief tad to what we are witnessing in MN and elsewhere. Totally avoidable and squarely lies on the shoulder of Trump and his administration.

The Minneapolis police chief is making a similar point.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know of a site with profiles of the people who are known to have been taken by ICE? It could help to see that who they are collecting are not arch criminals. It could have sections for citizens, children, legal immigrants, etc.