US military aid appropriations

[Anonymous]

America’s support for courageous Ukrainians fighting the Russian invasion took two demoralizing blows in Congress last week. Newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson, together with former Speaker contender Rep. Jim Jordan, have consistently voted against continued military support for Ukraine, while robustly championing similar assistance to Israel. Then, in the immediate wake of Speaker Johnson’s election, four Republican senators announced their proposed resolution to decouple President Biden’s joint military assistance package to Israel and Ukraine, potentially leaving Kyiv out to dry.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4284038-decoupling-military-aid-for-israel-and-ukraine-would-be-a-grave-mistake/

House GOP proposal to link IRS cuts to Israel aid draws quick, bipartisan criticism
House Republicans are so far ignoring Biden's request to link the aid with hiring surges at immigration and border security agencies. House Republicans late Monday unveiled a plan to provide $14 billion to Israel while cutting an equal amount in planned spending on Internal Revenue Service enforcement that raises tax revenue, though by Tuesday lawmakers in both parties and chambers joined the administration in calling the plan inadequate.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/10/house-gop-proposal-link-irs-cuts-israel-aid-draws-quick-bipartisan-criticism/391659/

So no aid to Ukraine. We expected that even with Russian involvement in the Israel attack. Continuing aid to the Ukrainians is a bridge too far for republicans. So that is done. Any aid to Israel must be off set. The first proposal is to offset spending at the IRS. I think the money will eventually be pulled out of infrastructure spending. Taiwan gets nothing which is an open invitation to the Chinese. Specially with so many republicans saying Taiwan is not worth supporting.

So maybe some aid for Israel that is offset against current spending in the US. Wow if you are an ally of the US better go make nice with the Russians and the Chinese.

[Anonymous]

Can’t agree more with your last sentence.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how long sanctions against Russia and Iran will last? Europeans need to shift back towards Russia pretty quickly here.

[Anonymous]

I never ever want to hear any bleating from the right about fiscal responsibility again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how long sanctions against Russia and Iran will last? Europeans need to shift back towards Russia pretty quickly here.

I think they will last a while with maybe some small concessions
Europe seems to have fared ok and overall the gas sanctions are good for the US if I understand correctly

[Anonymous]

I am probably very naive but I didn’t realize the absurdity of the tying of aid. Like, two things that aren’t whatsoever related are tied or are requested to be tied. No wonder immigration measures can’t ever pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am probably very naive but I didn’t realize the absurdity of the tying of aid. Like, two things that aren’t whatsoever related are tied or are requested to be tied. No wonder immigration measures can’t ever pass.

This is a common practice. In the old days, the sides would negotiate with each other and make compromises that they could all live with and be able to put out a press release saying what they each "got" in the deal.

The GOP has ceased to be a negotiation partner any longer. They simply put their fingers in their ears and hold their breath.

[Anonymous]

Assistance will keep flowing to the brave Ukrainians, fortunately:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Assistance will keep flowing to the brave Ukrainians, fortunately:

How long until they win?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Well we can see where this is going. If he combines Ukraine and Israel aid his speakership is over. Who is going to be the next speaker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

America’s support for courageous Ukrainians fighting the Russian invasion took two demoralizing blows in Congress last week. Newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson, together with former Speaker contender Rep. Jim Jordan, have consistently voted against continued military support for Ukraine, while robustly championing similar assistance to Israel. Then, in the immediate wake of Speaker Johnson’s election, four Republican senators announced their proposed resolution to decouple President Biden’s joint military assistance package to Israel and Ukraine, potentially leaving Kyiv out to dry.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4284038-decoupling-military-aid-for-israel-and-ukraine-would-be-a-grave-mistake/

House GOP proposal to link IRS cuts to Israel aid draws quick, bipartisan criticism
House Republicans are so far ignoring Biden's request to link the aid with hiring surges at immigration and border security agencies. House Republicans late Monday unveiled a plan to provide $14 billion to Israel while cutting an equal amount in planned spending on Internal Revenue Service enforcement that raises tax revenue, though by Tuesday lawmakers in both parties and chambers joined the administration in calling the plan inadequate.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/10/house-gop-proposal-link-irs-cuts-israel-aid-draws-quick-bipartisan-criticism/391659/

So no aid to Ukraine. We expected that even with Russian involvement in the Israel attack. Continuing aid to the Ukrainians is a bridge too far for republicans. So that is done. Any aid to Israel must be off set. The first proposal is to offset spending at the IRS. I think the money will eventually be pulled out of infrastructure spending. Taiwan gets nothing which is an open invitation to the Chinese. Specially with so many republicans saying Taiwan is not worth supporting.

So maybe some aid for Israel that is offset against current spending in the US. Wow if you are an ally of the US better go make nice with the Russians and the Chinese.

Is it too much to ask for the independent nation of Israel to defend itself on its own dime???? If I want to change my locks and i stall home security cameras in the home that I own, I do not ask someone else to pay for it. That is the price of home ownership. If I can't afford it, I should go back to renting in a building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am probably very naive but I didn’t realize the absurdity of the tying of aid. Like, two things that aren’t whatsoever related are tied or are requested to be tied. No wonder immigration measures can’t ever pass.

This is a common practice. In the old days, the sides would negotiate with each other and make compromises that they could all live with and be able to put out a press release saying what they each "got" in the deal.

The GOP has ceased to be a negotiation partner any longer. They simply put their fingers in their ears and hold their breath.

I mean I knew there were negotiations and tying of aid etc.
I just didn’t realize the deals in the package were so… unrelated?
I think maybe it’s not just the lack of will to negotiate, but also more radical requests/deals tied to those that aren’t controversial?
Like, say, legalizing illegal immigrants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well we can see where this is going. If he combines Ukraine and Israel aid his speakership is over. Who is going to be the next speaker?

What will he choose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

America’s support for courageous Ukrainians fighting the Russian invasion took two demoralizing blows in Congress last week. Newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson, together with former Speaker contender Rep. Jim Jordan, have consistently voted against continued military support for Ukraine, while robustly championing similar assistance to Israel. Then, in the immediate wake of Speaker Johnson’s election, four Republican senators announced their proposed resolution to decouple President Biden’s joint military assistance package to Israel and Ukraine, potentially leaving Kyiv out to dry.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4284038-decoupling-military-aid-for-israel-and-ukraine-would-be-a-grave-mistake/

House GOP proposal to link IRS cuts to Israel aid draws quick, bipartisan criticism
House Republicans are so far ignoring Biden's request to link the aid with hiring surges at immigration and border security agencies. House Republicans late Monday unveiled a plan to provide $14 billion to Israel while cutting an equal amount in planned spending on Internal Revenue Service enforcement that raises tax revenue, though by Tuesday lawmakers in both parties and chambers joined the administration in calling the plan inadequate.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/10/house-gop-proposal-link-irs-cuts-israel-aid-draws-quick-bipartisan-criticism/391659/

So no aid to Ukraine. We expected that even with Russian involvement in the Israel attack. Continuing aid to the Ukrainians is a bridge too far for republicans. So that is done. Any aid to Israel must be off set. The first proposal is to offset spending at the IRS. I think the money will eventually be pulled out of infrastructure spending. Taiwan gets nothing which is an open invitation to the Chinese. Specially with so many republicans saying Taiwan is not worth supporting.

So maybe some aid for Israel that is offset against current spending in the US. Wow if you are an ally of the US better go make nice with the Russians and the Chinese.

Is it too much to ask for the independent nation of Israel to defend itself on its own dime???? If I want to change my locks and i stall home security cameras in the home that I own, I do not ask someone else to pay for it. That is the price of home ownership. If I can't afford it, I should go back to renting in a building.

Do you have neighbors with AK-47's constantly threatening you and tossing live ammo at you?