S/O: what’s the best place to move if the AMOC collapses?

[Anonymous]

The is came up as a tangent on an infants/toddlers/preschoolers thread. If the Gulf Stream is gone and there’s massive + rapid weather and sea level changes, is there any part of the world that would either remain as it is or be a stable alternative to affected regions?

[Anonymous]

What is amoc?

[Anonymous]

I don't think New Zealand will get too hot with oceans on all sides. You may not want to be in low lying areas (sea level rises) or earthquake zones (much of the country) or living beside a volcano (parts of the North Island) however.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is amoc?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66289494

The Gulf Stream.

[Anonymous]

OP- There are much bigger things to worry about in life. Europe benefits the most from the Gulf Steam. If you look at similar latitudes in N America you can see how much more temperate Europe is. BUT Europe's been really impacted by increased heat waves from climate change. They'd go the other way with colder temps rather than hotter, but they'd adapt. Europe was colder in the past and didn't have the technology and infrastructure that it does now. Yes, ocean circulation and global weather would be impacted because everything is interrelated. But not clear this would mean much for most of the planet.

Other than that, the lowest point in DC is 140' elevation. Even places like Ocean City and Rehoboth Beach are at 7'. Clearly coastal communities would be impacted and housing lost to the ocean... but I'm not sure what you are concerned about. This sounds like doom and gloom fantasy porn. Not much reality here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- There are much bigger things to worry about in life. Europe benefits the most from the Gulf Steam. If you look at similar latitudes in N America you can see how much more temperate Europe is. BUT Europe's been really impacted by increased heat waves from climate change. They'd go the other way with colder temps rather than hotter, but they'd adapt. Europe was colder in the past and didn't have the technology and infrastructure that it does now. Yes, ocean circulation and global weather would be impacted because everything is interrelated. But not clear this would mean much for most of the planet.

Other than that, the lowest point in DC is 140' elevation. Even places like Ocean City and Rehoboth Beach are at 7'. Clearly coastal communities would be impacted and housing lost to the ocean... but I'm not sure what you are concerned about. This sounds like doom and gloom fantasy porn. Not much reality here.

Errrrr... the lowest point in DC is roughly sea level. It's the Potomac shoreline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- There are much bigger things to worry about in life. Europe benefits the most from the Gulf Steam. If you look at similar latitudes in N America you can see how much more temperate Europe is. BUT Europe's been really impacted by increased heat waves from climate change. They'd go the other way with colder temps rather than hotter, but they'd adapt. Europe was colder in the past and didn't have the technology and infrastructure that it does now. Yes, ocean circulation and global weather would be impacted because everything is interrelated. But not clear this would mean much for most of the planet.

Other than that, the lowest point in DC is 140' elevation. Even places like Ocean City and Rehoboth Beach are at 7'. Clearly coastal communities would be impacted and housing lost to the ocean... but I'm not sure what you are concerned about. This sounds like doom and gloom fantasy porn. Not much reality here.

The FAWK are you talking about?!?!!

The lowest part of DC is SEA LEVEL.

Why the Hell do you think they call it THE TIDAL BASIN????

[Anonymous]

I’m sort of obsessed with the movie the day after tomorrow which suggests that anything north of dc will be Siberia and the Global South will ironically need to take in climatecrefugees from North America and Europe. So invest in Mexico!

There is some basis for this in the climate record from Paleolithic era. But who knows?? If we lose the bread baskets in Central Europe and US we are pretty screwed though and famine could get ugly fast.

[Anonymous]

Canada.

Global warming will make Canada a leading economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- There are much bigger things to worry about in life. Europe benefits the most from the Gulf Steam. If you look at similar latitudes in N America you can see how much more temperate Europe is. BUT Europe's been really impacted by increased heat waves from climate change. They'd go the other way with colder temps rather than hotter, but they'd adapt. Europe was colder in the past and didn't have the technology and infrastructure that it does now. Yes, ocean circulation and global weather would be impacted because everything is interrelated. But not clear this would mean much for most of the planet.

Other than that, the lowest point in DC is 140' elevation. Even places like Ocean City and Rehoboth Beach are at 7'. Clearly coastal communities would be impacted and housing lost to the ocean... but I'm not sure what you are concerned about. This sounds like doom and gloom fantasy porn. Not much reality here.

I think I actually read something recently that some of these ocean circulations are likely to be a problem sooner rather than later. Maybe not in a "Day After Tomorrow" sense but in terms of having real effects. Gah, I know I won't be able to find that article but if I can I'll post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- There are much bigger things to worry about in life. Europe benefits the most from the Gulf Steam. If you look at similar latitudes in N America you can see how much more temperate Europe is. BUT Europe's been really impacted by increased heat waves from climate change. They'd go the other way with colder temps rather than hotter, but they'd adapt. Europe was colder in the past and didn't have the technology and infrastructure that it does now. Yes, ocean circulation and global weather would be impacted because everything is interrelated. But not clear this would mean much for most of the planet.

Other than that, the lowest point in DC is 140' elevation. Even places like Ocean City and Rehoboth Beach are at 7'. Clearly coastal communities would be impacted and housing lost to the ocean... but I'm not sure what you are concerned about. This sounds like doom and gloom fantasy porn. Not much reality here.

I think I actually read something recently that some of these ocean circulations are likely to be a problem sooner rather than later. Maybe not in a "Day After Tomorrow" sense but in terms of having real effects. Gah, I know I won't be able to find that article but if I can I'll post.

The problem with this question is that NO ONE can possibly have any idea where the best place to live will be. *IF* this major global oceanic process collapses, then most likely other major oceanic processes are also undergoing massive shifts, along with big changes in atmospheric processes. And global atmospheric and oceanic processes are interwoven and impact one another in extremely complex ways. Climate as we currently understand it will be completely revamped across the planet in ways humans cannot possibly predict

That is why these questions are ultimately pointless. Live your life. It really is fear porn.

[Anonymous]

We chose a capital city in our state. You want the people making the decisions to live where you live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Canada.

Global warming will make Canada a leading economy.

Is that before or after all the methane escapes from the permafrost up there?

Hell, when the ground thaws up there, the amount of structures lost to sinking land is going to be enormous.

[Anonymous]

That's what I was going to say. I don't think I'd want to be in Siberia or Canada because of the methane escaping out of melting permafrost, which is just going to make climate change worse. I think there is going to be a mad dash to Antarctica, which is bad news for penguins. The other option for slight cooling, would be all the fires spewing pollution into the atmosphere which could reflect the sun back to space.

[Anonymous]

Pennsylvania. Far enough south to avoid the freezing winters far enough North to avoid sweltering heat.