Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

What kind of pot are you smoking that you think Israel wasn't going to retaliate against Hamas and relentlessly hunt them down and use every means available, even to the point of not letting them hide behind civilians and use them as human shields? Was it your dippy expectation that somehow Israel was going to do nothing, maybe even just capitulate to Hamas and say "ahh okay, you killed a thousand of our people, we give up, we're packing up and moving to Europe and you can have the whole country...." Talk about mental gymnastics. You seem to have some unrealistic and delusional beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

International treaty between whom? The Palestinians/Arabs were not signatories of that treaty. I think you mean UN Resolution 181. The Nakba had already begun by then.

What was the legal standing of the Palestinians/Arabs? Remember, the Palestinians/Arabs weren't in charge and hadn't been for a very very long time. Remember that they had lost sovereignty and control to the Turks hundreds of years prior, and then to the Allies in WWI who captured Palestine from the Ottomans. They lacked a sovereign mandate for dictating the terms. Just because you didn't sign doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you or that you aren't beholden to it. Claiming otherwise would be like that stupid "Sovereign Citizen" crap that people try pulling.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

What kind of pot are you smoking that you think Israel wasn't going to retaliate against Hamas and relentlessly hunt them down and use every means available, even to the point of not letting them hide behind civilians and use them as human shields? Was it your dippy expectation that somehow Israel was going to do nothing, maybe even just capitulate to Hamas and say "ahh okay, you killed a thousand of our people, we give up, we're packing up and moving to Europe and you can have the whole country...." Talk about mental gymnastics. You seem to have some unrealistic and delusional beliefs.

DP Our expectation is that they don't deliberately starve civilians. I don't think that's an unrealistic or delusional belief and I find it very odd that you pretend to think that it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

I laughed at your characterization of land theft initiated by Zionist terrorism as “international treaty”, especially in light of the flagrant disregard Israel has for international resolutions these days.

Jews legally purchased land in Palestine pre-1948. There was a partition plan that was designed so that those legally purchased lands were part of Israel. The Palestinians received a much bigger swath of land than the Jews in that plan. The land the Jews had purchased was mainly swamp lands that they drained and cultivated. Many died from malaria making the land livable. Bottom line: Regardless of whether the British had the right to make both a Jewish and an Arab country, there is now a Jewish country that is prospering. The way forward for everyone is for the Palestinians to make their lives prosperous by accepting Israel and renouncing terrorism once and for all. They need to make a true peace and start living their lives like we all want to live our lives. Only then will they be able to live free lives. With terrorism still in play, Israel will continue to do what it takes to prevent Israelis from being murdered.

I see we’re now in the “making the desert bloom” part of our regular programming.

How do you make peace with someone who keeps taking your land? It’s a question for finer minds than yours, I’m sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

I laughed at your characterization of land theft initiated by Zionist terrorism as “international treaty”, especially in light of the flagrant disregard Israel has for international resolutions these days.

Jews legally purchased land in Palestine pre-1948. There was a partition plan that was designed so that those legally purchased lands were part of Israel. The Palestinians received a much bigger swath of land than the Jews in that plan. The land the Jews had purchased was mainly swamp lands that they drained and cultivated. Many died from malaria making the land livable. Bottom line: Regardless of whether the British had the right to make both a Jewish and an Arab country, there is now a Jewish country that is prospering. The way forward for everyone is for the Palestinians to make their lives prosperous by accepting Israel and renouncing terrorism once and for all. They need to make a true peace and start living their lives like we all want to live our lives. Only then will they be able to live free lives. With terrorism still in play, Israel will continue to do what it takes to prevent Israelis from being murdered.

From what I understand many of these purchases were from absentee landlords who left the farming to Palestinian tenants. Yes, the purchases were legal but it made the Palestinian tenant farmers angry to be asked to leave their homes where they had lived for generations. Angry people lash out. Let’s push Israel to break that cycle.

Maybe you should look up the uniquely Israeli feat of legal cruelty called Present Absentees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

What kind of pot are you smoking that you think Israel wasn't going to retaliate against Hamas and relentlessly hunt them down and use every means available, even to the point of not letting them hide behind civilians and use them as human shields? Was it your dippy expectation that somehow Israel was going to do nothing, maybe even just capitulate to Hamas and say "ahh okay, you killed a thousand of our people, we give up, we're packing up and moving to Europe and you can have the whole country...." Talk about mental gymnastics. You seem to have some unrealistic and delusional beliefs.

DP Our expectation is that they don't deliberately starve civilians. I don't think that's an unrealistic or delusional belief and I find it very odd that you pretend to think that it is.

+1 Frankly, it's more than "odd" to believe that retaliation requires the deliberate starvation of thousands of babies. It's sociopathic.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

I laughed at your characterization of land theft initiated by Zionist terrorism as “international treaty”, especially in light of the flagrant disregard Israel has for international resolutions these days.

Jews legally purchased land in Palestine pre-1948. There was a partition plan that was designed so that those legally purchased lands were part of Israel. The Palestinians received a much bigger swath of land than the Jews in that plan. The land the Jews had purchased was mainly swamp lands that they drained and cultivated. Many died from malaria making the land livable. Bottom line: Regardless of whether the British had the right to make both a Jewish and an Arab country, there is now a Jewish country that is prospering. The way forward for everyone is for the Palestinians to make their lives prosperous by accepting Israel and renouncing terrorism once and for all. They need to make a true peace and start living their lives like we all want to live our lives. Only then will they be able to live free lives. With terrorism still in play, Israel will continue to do what it takes to prevent Israelis from being murdered.

They owned less than 7% of the land at the time Israel declared independence. They "acquired" the rest by ethnically cleansing Palestinians whose ancestors had lived there for centuries. The Zionist method of ethnic cleansing was actually genocide. They massacred, tortured, and raped to drive people out of their villages and then burned and bulldozed their homes so they couldn't return. They drove the Palestinians across borders into neighboring states and then murdered them if they tried to return home.

Why would Palestinians simply accept this? Why did the rest of the world accept this? Would you expect Israelis to accept the same treatment today?

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

I am amazed by your unwillingness or inability to comprehend that the IDF and Israel had various strategic options for how to retaliate. After all, doesn't Israel have one of the most advanced armies in the world? Hamas does not dictate how Israel chooses to respond to this conflict. The tacit approval and thinly veiled encouragement of the deliberate and sadistic starvation of tens of thousands of babies and children--who are innocents in this conflict--shocks the conscience of people around the world. And we are not all antisemites. There are Israelis and Jews who also believe that the stunningly inhumane strategy taken by Israel under Netanyahu is ultimately disastrous for Israel and fueled by a crazed, racist bloodlust. Israel has become a pariah. Even its closest ally, the US, realizes this.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

What kind of pot are you smoking that you think Israel wasn't going to retaliate against Hamas and relentlessly hunt them down and use every means available, even to the point of not letting them hide behind civilians and use them as human shields? Was it your dippy expectation that somehow Israel was going to do nothing, maybe even just capitulate to Hamas and say "ahh okay, you killed a thousand of our people, we give up, we're packing up and moving to Europe and you can have the whole country...." Talk about mental gymnastics. You seem to have some unrealistic and delusional beliefs.

DP Our expectation is that they don't deliberately starve civilians. I don't think that's an unrealistic or delusional belief and I find it very odd that you pretend to think that it is.

Moving the goalposts. Absolutely nobody here said that it was unrealistic or delusional to think that people shouldn't be starved and it's dishonest of you to suggest that this was the premise. You completely glossed over Hamas's role, and THAT is the unrealistic and delusional part of your worldview.

Who is standing in the way of the civilians getting fed? At the end of the day it's Hamas. Hamas needs to surrender or capitulate and stand down in order for the people to be safely be reached and be fed.

I find it very odd that you pretend to think it's purely the IDF acting in a complete vacuum with nothing but pure genocidal malice.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

I laughed at your characterization of land theft initiated by Zionist terrorism as “international treaty”, especially in light of the flagrant disregard Israel has for international resolutions these days.

Jews legally purchased land in Palestine pre-1948. There was a partition plan that was designed so that those legally purchased lands were part of Israel. The Palestinians received a much bigger swath of land than the Jews in that plan. The land the Jews had purchased was mainly swamp lands that they drained and cultivated. Many died from malaria making the land livable. Bottom line: Regardless of whether the British had the right to make both a Jewish and an Arab country, there is now a Jewish country that is prospering. The way forward for everyone is for the Palestinians to make their lives prosperous by accepting Israel and renouncing terrorism once and for all. They need to make a true peace and start living their lives like we all want to live our lives. Only then will they be able to live free lives. With terrorism still in play, Israel will continue to do what it takes to prevent Israelis from being murdered.

From what I understand many of these purchases were from absentee landlords who left the farming to Palestinian tenants. Yes, the purchases were legal but it made the Palestinian tenant farmers angry to be asked to leave their homes where they had lived for generations. Angry people lash out. Let’s push Israel to break that cycle.

Maybe you should look up the uniquely Israeli feat of legal cruelty called Present Absentees.

DP.

All I needed was the bit above:

many of these purchases were from absentee landlords who left the farming to Palestinian tenants. Yes, the purchases were legal

When you don't own the land, you don't own the land. In just about ever country in the world including the Arab world, if the building you live in changes hands, the new owners very much have the right to evict you. Not sure how or why Palestine should somehow be a unique special snowflake kind of place where the legal land owners have no rights over the lands they purchased. If that's the case then what's even the point of deeds?

I will say the same should apply to Israeli settlers too. If they do not have legal ownership or a legal landlord-tenant agreement with the current landowners then they are illegal squatters and are subject to be evicted at the landowner's request.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.